you pretty much just implied I was stupid by asking me how I made it through college…how is that not insulting?
[QUOTE=findeight;8649286]
No. Nobody said that. Go back and reread what was actually said that referenced specific things you asked for input on.[/QUOTE]
Did something get deleted?? I am not seeing what your reply was in response was to???
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Did something get deleted?? I am not seeing what your reply was in response was to???[/QUOTE]
Her posts are gone.
[QUOTE=findeight;8649286]
No. Nobody said that. Go back and reread what was actually said that referenced specific things you asked for input on.[/QUOTE]
Since it was just a few hours ago so I remember pretty well it was something like…“Oh, so now you are telling me my horse is dangerous and I am a bad rider” and something in the you are a bunch meanie poo poo heads line.
Most have said under certain circumstances horse’s style can be dangerous and there is no release in any of the now deleted pictures. Those remarks in answer to direct, repeated specific questions about jumping over the shoulder and her release. NOTHING personal and no attack here.
Dam, we should quote these:no:
Agree with findeight, I didn’t feel anyone was attacking her personally. She asked a question and did not like the answers. This is her second round with this topic, it’s likely been an issue for awhile, so no need to get upset with COTH opinions because really nothing new here she hasn’t heard before…
Grumble.
I hate it when they delete all of the posts. How is the topic going to be helpful to others when they do that?
I think deleting all your posts in a thread you started should be grounds for banning.
I wish she would’ve stuck this out. What a wonderful, informative thread it could have been if she posted pictures and progress for the next 6 months while going back to smaller gymnastics and working on a longer release.
Lots of timid riders choke up on the horse over fences when they worry about the backside. I’m sure many could have benefited from this topic
There are more pictures and a video in her thread from 2014, unless she deleted them too. Just click her user name and then search forum posts, don’t even need to use the search function.
BTW, only the Mods can actually delete everything posted including those quoted within a reply by another poster, quote if you want to preserve it. Mods very, very rarely delete all traces, has to get really ugly, profane, nasty or personal with IRL names. Otherwise, poster dug their own hole.
I realize this is not relevant to the OP, but since she’s disappeared anyway…
I would vote not always dangerous. I had a great adult jumper that jumped over his shoulder a bit. But he was tight below the knee, and scopey–and extremely careful. He never ever ever had a rail, and was competitive in the best company. I could live with the bad pictures.
I certainly wouldn’t seek this type out over one with a more conventional jumping style. But it can sometimes work out ok.
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There are some images above that illustrate pretty well, but basically jumping over the shoulder means the forearms of the horse don’t come fully parallel to the ground. Different from hanging a leg because they may still tuck their legs up well, but their knees point down.[/QUOTE]
Actually it has a lot more to do with BALANCE…not what the front legs are doing.
A horse that jumps “over their shoulder” means the haven’t rocked back behind and pushed up and around the fence. Their balance is shifted too far forward.
VERY common with green horses…even very good jumpers. Sometimes they push TOO much behind and push their own balance to far forward and over their shoulder.
It can also happen with very sensitive horses if the rider jumps ahead…very very very often this is the cause, even if the rider just tips their shoulders a hair too soon. Not ideal but not always the horse’s fault.
My trainer’s horse is an example of a horse that jumped over her shoulder when she was greener because of her power behind. Lots and lots of gymnastics later and she had a very nice jump…nice enough that I keep trying to get her to do some derbies. It took time and patience, but the jump developed into something quite nice.
