Arlington Cemetary Casson horses

Hubby and I took a train ride up to DC from Florida to visit some family but more to take the train ride --sleeper car for the first time. Very very cool. Sort of a chirstmas gift to ourselves, an adventure, an anniversary gift.

We did the usual things, went up in the Washington monument, ate great food, saw many many sites. Brother in law is a colonel in the marines and works at the pentagon. We got a nice personal tour. At the end of the day, we were on a military base (am at the loss for the name at the moment) right next to Arlington National Cementary. He was showing me the stables when all of a sudden we see a sign that says visitors are welcome between noon and 4. Well, nuff said–we stopped.

The stables are old and well built. The horses are Percherons or draft crosses. Some were out at work, many were in their stalls. There were grays and blacks in the barn. The tack room had saddles. I did not see the harness I thought they would wear.

This photo above shows the saddles from behind with 2 postillion riders.

This shows the caisson from the side.

Not a usual harness as we are used to using.

There was one young marine when I asked him about the horses made me smile. He said most horses were donated, some wee Percherons, some were crosses. One he told me was a Standard (notice not standardbred) and a percheron cross. Then another he said it was standard and morgan. I could not help myself and said–well, maybe but there had to be something else in there, like a draft. He obviously did not know a lot about horse breeds. But I must give him credit for doing a job that must be hard --seeing caskets of young men his age every day sometimes 2 or 3 a day.

One of the caissons there was the one used for Prez. Reagon.

The caisson is actually a cart pulling a trailer cart, not a wagon in the actual sense as we know it to be one unit.

That was the highlight of my trip!!!

Wow! Beautiful funeral, and cemetery (an horses!) Thanks for posting the pics…

Really nice pics - thanks for sharing!!

Beautiful. You were by Ft. Myers, and yes, the grounds is breath taking and those soldiers take their mission seriously, as they should. We got to tour the stables and the soldier who was our escort kept an eye on me as I would listen then go to each horse and whisper a kind word to each, praise them for a job well done, then kiss their nose and go on.

Thank you for sharing…

We had a wonderful Lippizan gelding given to us years ago that was known to have pulled the Cassons there. He was a truly neat horse. “Pluto III Fantasia III” was his name. (Pluto) Saw your post and it made me think of him :slight_smile:

Wonderful trip
we live close enough but have never done this tour. Have to plan it for someday

check out this blog that has been passed around up our way lately

http://horseandman.com/people-and-places/the-old-guard-caisson-horses-and-caisson-horses-for-adoption/

there’s another story on the caisson horses on ‘horse and man’ ( http://horseandman.com/ ) with the story of Black Jack…

http://horseandman.com/people-and-places/black-jack-the-caparisoned-horse-and-caissons/

I remember seeing the caisson horses and Black Jack for President Kennedy’s funeral. Dang, I’m getting old.

I’ve been to Arlington many times over the years (since I’m only 50 minutes away from DC), but have only seen a handful of funerals. Always very beautiful, very formal, very moving - especially in the spring and summer when the grass and trees are so green. It really is a gorgeous setting for a National Cemetery. Standing on the top of the rise overlooking the Potomac and the Mall is truly stunning.No wonder the Lee family was reluctant to abandon it.

Thanks for the heads-up with the stables, Cartfall. Next time I’m going to stop in at the stables. My father qualifies to be buried there (Lt. Commander, USN and also WWII veteran) – that will certainly be a memorable funeral for my family whenever the day comes.

How freaking weird. I come to the driving forum to post a question about caisson teams, and what’s the first post on the page!?!?

Anyway, can you historical types explain the significance of the riders? How does the harness differ from a normal harness? Do the horses on the right have what amounts to a lead line on, or are they attached to the other horse?

The harness is different in that the horses are wearing riding saddles (obviously!). The hitching arrangement is different because the horses needed to be able to be removed quickly so the cannon could be swung in place for firing. Horses might spook, so they ALWAY are removed and ridden away while the cannon was being used. If the cannon crew needed to escape, they could ride the horses and abandon the gun.

They pull with breast collars instead of full collars like most heavy draft horses did. Draft style breeching for horses pulling, the cannons are “free wheeling”, no brakes. Short pole, harness set up for Army specs, not what you would see anyplace else. This closeup was interesting in showing detail, though it makes the hooves HUGE!

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Other photos came up, showing other details better than the previous sites.

This photos shows the direct-line from leader traces to wheelers, for pulling. Shortens up the whole rig for close work in turns, not using pole seperation and eveners between Pairs.

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Offside horse is led with a rein by the rider beside him. Probably gives a bit more control than trying to use regular reins when so far to the side. Each horse does wear riding reins, so he could quickly be mounted and ridden alone if needed.

Postillion riders instead of a driver, are thought to have more control of the horse by being in the saddle. This is a military hitch, where horse control in battle would be very important. Commander might just want to get off a few shots with cannon, rehitch and move off quickly. Horses have to be under control, moved away, brought back fast, to allow “hit and run” type tactics to be effective. Runaway horses would mean the guns would be lost if the enemy can overrun your postition. The seventh horse, dressed with harness already, is used as a spare, to be quickly changed into the hitch if one is injured, to be able to move the gun.

Lots of photos, pages worth, with some already shown here, on this site. You can enlarge each by clicking on it.

http://www.google.com/images?rlz=1T4GPMG_enUS361US361&q=old+guard+Caisson+horse+photo&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=univ&ei=JLMTTfSBMJ6fnwe14MHxDQ&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&ct=title&resnum=1&ved=0CCEQsAQwAA&biw=839&bih=467

The other well known caisson would be the Kings Troop, Royal Artillery which performs for the Queen’s birthday and other special occassions. They always are a delight to watch. Harness styles, riders, are very similar for all the same usage reasons.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2z85K9brQ34

And if I remember correctly, they also do funeral duty for Statesmen and Royalty.

A friend of mine who lives near Bloomington, IN breeds Percheron/Morgan crosses (that gives the solid dark blocky horse that they prefer). He raises, trains and sells specifically to Arlington.

I will give him a call after Xmas and see what he can tell us.

As usual, excellent post goodhors. The setup makes so much more sense knowing the reasons behind it. The Kings Troop video was great. I only wish they had shown more of the unhitching.

cool pics,thanks for sharing

I cannot claim the photos. I found the ones I linked to by googling them. We did not actually go into Arlington cemetrary itself although we could see it over the little brick wall that seperates it from the fort.

Thank you Goodhorse and DriverNJ for your posts. I did read the blog and it was very very interesting.

Was surprised by 13 replies. But it was for me the high light of a very cold trip to DC. Got my horse fix in the middle of a too metro area for this country Florida girl. :lol:

It’s “Fort Myer”, and if you spoke to someone in the Caisson Platoon, they’re a US Army Spec, not a Marine. The Caisson platoon is part of the US Army Old Guard.

http://luckytocope.wordpress.com/2010/06/17/the-horses-of-dc/

There are some pics from when I visited this summer. (Including of display model Xerox, so named because a guy went out to get a new Xerox machine and came back with a plastic horse.) I didn’t get to meet any of the caparisoned (riderless) horses like Sergeant York but I did see some of the teams who were in the barn. Spec. Staples, who showed me around, had a lot of interesting stories about serving in the caisson platoon–no guy wants to be on the wheel horse at the end of the day, because you clean the tack for the pair you’re on, and the wheel horse has the most straps. The caisson platoon has more relaxed uniform standards than the rest of the Old Guard. (One story involved explaining to someone that he had white hairs all over his dress uniform: “They’re shedding, sir!”)

If you have the chance, I highly recommend the tour. It’s free and if nothing else, you will come out envying them that barn. (MAN, I want those stalls.)

[QUOTE=danceronice;5300881]
It’s “Fort Myer”, and if you spoke to someone in the Caisson Platoon, they’re a US Army Spec, not a Marine. The Caisson platoon is part of the US Army Old Guard.

http://luckytocope.wordpress.com/2010/06/17/the-horses-of-dc/

There are some pics from when I visited this summer. (Including of display model Xerox, so named because a guy went out to get a new Xerox machine and came back with a plastic horse.) I didn’t get to meet any of the caparisoned (riderless) horses like Sergeant York but I did see some of the teams who were in the barn. Spec. Staples, who showed me around, had a lot of interesting stories about serving in the caisson platoon–no guy wants to be on the wheel horse at the end of the day, because you clean the tack for the pair you’re on, and the wheel horse has the most straps. The caisson platoon has more relaxed uniform standards than the rest of the Old Guard. (One story involved explaining to someone that he had white hairs all over his dress uniform: “They’re shedding, sir!”)

If you have the chance, I highly recommend the tour. It’s free and if nothing else, you will come out envying them that barn. (MAN, I want those stalls.)[/QUOTE]

My hubby informed me they were NOT Marines. And yes great stalls. Thanks for the info.

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Beautiful. You were by Ft. Myers, and yes, the grounds is breath taking and those soldiers take their mission seriously, as they should. We got to tour the stables and the soldier who was our escort kept an eye on me as I would listen then go to each horse and whisper a kind word to each, praise them for a job well done, then kiss their nose and go on.

Thank you for sharing…[/QUOTE]
The soldiers are usually on a 6 month assignment, I believe. At least, thats the way they did it at Ft. Sill, which also has a caisson. They have to do a crash course in horsemanship. I really admire them as they do a fantastic job with very little training.

My father was buried at Arlington. It was the exact type of day you would expect for a funeral, dreary, rainy and cool. The caisson was amazing. The soldiers were amazing. I shall look for the photos and post.

Caisson

The Old Guard is the oldest active infantry regiment. Here is an article on them and the Lipizzans donated to make the “white horse team.” Soldiers visited our Lipizzan booth at the horse expo one year and invited our club to a special tour of their stable.

http://www.army.mil/info/organization/unitsandcommands/commandstructure/theoldguard/specplt/caisson.htm