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[vineyridge]

I think there are a couple of Indian Ridge stallions in the NA–or were a few years ago. I know there was one in Texas named Ben’s Ridge who may not still be active, and K~2 has one in Canada named Legal Ridge. There is at least one more Indian Ridge kicking around in NA, I think. Inchinor was also a stallion by Ahonoora, and he has a son in the UK named Notnowcato. There is also one in France whose name I forget. All I remember is that he is mostly used for chasers and his name begins with N.

There MAY be a stallion in Japan from Lute Antique or No Lute, but I’m not sure. There was a No Lute son in France named Video Rock who stood for chasers almost exclusively. He had a son (Kap Rock) who seems to be standing now. Also for chasers.

It’s kind of interesting that both No Lute and Video Rock had very few pure TB get. They were mostly bred to produce SFs and AAs for chasing.

[JWB]

[QUOTE=vineyridge;7250146]
I think there are a couple of Indian Ridge stallions in the NA–or were a few years ago. I know there was one in Texas named Ben’s Ridge who may not still be active, and K~2 has one in Canada named Legal Ridge. There is at least one more Indian Ridge kicking around in NA, I think. Inchinor was also a stallion by Ahonoora, and he has a son in the UK named Notnowcato. There is also one in France whose name I forget. All I remember is that he is mostly used for chasers and his name begins with N.

There MAY be a stallion in Japan from Lute Antique or No Lute, but I’m not sure. There was a No Lute son in France named Video Rock who stood for chasers almost exclusively. He had a son (Kap Rock) who seems to be standing now. Also for chasers.

It’s kind of interesting that both No Lute and Video Rock had very few pure TB get. They were mostly bred to produce SFs and AAs for chasing.[/QUOTE]

Final Row - standing in TX and Legal Jousting - standing in ON. Thanks!

[Elles]

My guy has about 4.2% Court Martial, 3.2% Bay Ronald and 4.4% Fair Trial. Are such small percentages still of any use?
http://www.sporthorse-data.com/d?i=10890466&blood=10&quota=
By the way, I can not find a Matchem line in his pedigree.

[Elles]

This is a rather old topic but maybe still a little bit of use:
http://www.pedigreequery.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=91523&sid=265a3068667a377762478e6a39be8227

[Christa_P]

Just an for a place to look, if you have a Man O’ War line, you have a line to Matchem.

[vineyridge]

And if you have Native Dancer, you have Matchem through the Fair Play grandson, Discovery, as damsire. If you have Bold Ruler you have Matchem through the Fair Play grandson, Discovery, as damsire. If you have Hasty Road or Traffic Judge, you have Matchem through the Fair Play grandson, Discovery, as damsire. The US TB started with a very heavy infusion of the Godolphin Arabian and added Herod early on. Then Australian was imported in the 1840s or so, and another Matchem infusion was added. The Fair Play line is very much alive today in NA.

Discovery’s 2nd dam has an unusual line to Matchem for sire line and her damsire line is Herod. In fact, Discovery’s dam line is comparatively Matchem packed to go with his sire line. There is another US Herod line in Traffic Court’s tail female in the 5th.

[WISH]

Loving this thread, the bloodlines that we’d like more of are Crepello, Hotfoot and Grey Sovereign and Dancers Image. We’ve had good success with these lines in National Hunt racing, Eventing (4* level) and Showjumping (International/Grand Prix/Nations Cup). Can’t remember the bloodlines further back,its been a long day!:), How have these lines figured in the US or are they mainly UK/Ire based? I know Dancers Image was a US based line but how good has it been for sport horses?

[vineyridge]

Dancer’s Image is famous as the horse who had the KY Derby win removed because he tested positive for some drug or another. IIRC, it was a relatively innocuous drug, but the owners missed on the withdrawal time.

Dancer’s Image has five stallion sons with FEI level descendants out of a total of thirteen on the database that I use, and five more stallions as damsire (including Duca di Busted). Most of them are eventers. He’s definitely NOT a jump killer. He stood all over the world–US, GB/Ire/France/ and ended up in Japan.

Grey Sovereign is very popular here with sport horse people. thanks to Caro. Crepello is almost unknown, and Hotfoot probably IS unknown.

[vineyridge]

[QUOTE=Elles;7250827]
My guy has about 4.2% Court Martial, 3.2% Bay Ronald and 4.4% Fair Trial. Are such small percentages still of any use?
http://www.sporthorse-data.com/d?i=10890466&blood=10"a=
By the way, I can not find a Matchem line in his pedigree.[/QUOTE]

You have War Admiral through Busanda as sire of a mare in the fifth. All US horses from US horses will most likely have Matchem somewhere, although it might not be very close.

[WISH]

yes we used Duca and also a little used stallion called Modern Dancer. Tell me something about the bloodlines of the US bred Last News, he appeals to me but when I asked about him was told steer clear they’re bad news! Tina Giffords youngster looks promising and there are one or two starting to show a bit here but what do his bloodlines say to you about jump and attitude? I know he jumped to a high level himself.

[vineyridge]

BTW, Dancer’s Image is the tail male grandsire of Java Tiger who was certainly a VERY good eventing sire.

Last News is the one of the very last tail male non-cloned descendants of the VERY, VERY great US Bonne Cause/Bonne Nuit line (Herod) which dominated show jumping here for decades. Bonne Nuit was Roi Herode on top and Dollar on the bottom. Last News was bred by the great US jumper riders Frank and Mary Mairs Chapot from lines that they had been breeding for show jumping for generations. He comes from what we here call the Twist line–New Twist, Good Twist, Gem Twist. He’s very tall, but he has a full brother who is not even fifteen hands. His sire is from two Chapot Olympic showjumpers–Good Twist and Tomboy (Janes Bit). Although the Chapots are currently standing a Gem Twist clone, I think they may have sold Last News on because they were getting out of breeding TB showjumpers–and maybe because of Nicholas Amber the short one.

He had a son at the World Young Horse Show Jumping Championships in Lanaken a couple of years ago.

Temperament–well, the Chapot’s Twist line horses were never famous for being easy, IIRC. Very, very talented, but need the right ride and the right starting.

[WISH]

Thanks Vineyridge, thats what I was wondering about, possibly not the best to send Cruising mares to then! He might just suit a Ghareeb mare as they seem to have very laid back attitudes and good work ethics and are all round nice horses to do anything with. We are getting more and more US bred sires standing as sport horse sires these days and very little info on the bloodlines, what do you think of Pointilliste by Giant’s Causeway out of an Alydar mare?

[vineyridge]

BTW, FWIW, Master Imp has all three of the foundation sires on the first page.

The bottom side of Pointilliste is absolutely gorgeous for sport. It could hardly be better. Tail female to Ballynash, who is also the dam of Mourne and Monteval, and thus doubled in Laudanum. Alydar is famous here for jumpers–probably his most famous was as grandsire of a full TB showjumper named Dark Grey (Show name Bradford) who was a speed horse for Richard Spooner.

IMO, Storm Cat is pretty much a bust as a sport horse line, but as he gets farther back and is diluted (especially in temperament), he’s starting to show up a bit. Giant’s Causeway has a pretty nice damline for sport, though. Rahy is also a bit of a bust at this point in time, but Glorious Song is one of the best damlines in American TBs, and Blushing Groom is excellent (and has Wild Risk as damsire, which is a GOOD thing) and he’s tail female to Emali, which is also excellent (Dam of Aberali; and her daughter Aimee was a very good broodmare.) Mariah’s Storm was a good race mare and has been a good broodmare, since she is the dam of not only Giant’s Causeway, but his full brother Freud. The Roberto daughter Immense is also the dam of a pretty good sire named Panoramic who has sired some chasers.

Storm Cat’s dam has Spy Song and Bolero, both lines which fairly reliably produced show jumpers back years ago. Secretariat has some sport presence, as he should with his sire and dam. First Rose comes from generations of good and quality broodmares. Crimson Saint was also the dam of Pancho Villa, Terlingua’s full brother, and Royal Academy who is the sire of Painters Row. She was a good broodmare and dam of broodmares. Papila was an excellent influence for soundness.

One thing about Storm Cat is that he was himself and sired chunky horses–close coupled and muscular. Giant’s Causeway fits that description and is very downhill to my eye. This is a sprinter/miler line primarily, although Giant’s Causeway was able to stretch to 10f for the Breeder’s Cup Classic. Which is not necessarily bad because jumpers need short twitch muscles. But they also don’t need modern American sprinter conformation of the QH type.

A Chieftain daughter was dam of Shaab.

Giant’s Causeway is still so good/hot as a racing sire that almost none of his direct get have made to sport; and his grandget are still rather young. But he too has no presence in sport.

In this case, it would depend a lot to me on whether Pointilliste took after his sire or dam, his other foals and the dam. To put it bluntly, my thought would be a resounding “maybe”, tending toward a “wait and see.”