Attached house/barn

Looking at land to build a house and barn on and really like the idea of attaching the two with a mudroom in between. Currently have a small farm now but its too much maintenance for us and we’d like a little more land. DH and I both love the idea of being able to walk into the barn without having to go outside. House would be on the right, then mudroom, then tack room/workshop, then barn aisle. The barn will be fairly small 3 stalls on one side and the other side will be used for trailer, tractor, and general storage. The hay will be kept in a separate small barn and not in a loft above the barn because of the fire hazard. House, barn, and hay barn will all be pole barn structures.

Has anyone done this? Love it or hate it? Things you would have done differently? Would love any feedback!

Though I have seen this in older houses, there might be zoning or building code restrictions prohibiting this in new construction. I would check your local jurisdiction.

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Make sure you check the building codes in the county where you hope to build. Several years ago I was talking to a guy whose company builds and restores barns and he was telling me that they had just finished a barn-house combo in a neighboring county. He said the owner had to have the original plans completely redrawn to get the building permit because the county had some very specific requirements for residences in/attached to barns where livestock would be housed. I don’t recall exactly what, but I know some had to do with firewalls and with ventilation.

French farmhouse was one of the older terms for what OP might be looking for…today the stables are garages… and that might be how I would built it …then covert the garage into the stable

In Kentucky, we used to keep my wife’s pony in our drive in basement, the pony’s stall as the former coal storage room … passed all code and animal rights inspections as the city did not even have any thing that prohibited what we did. Now if the pony was a a chicken then there would have been hell to pay, so said the animal control inspector

look at this country farm house plans… just convert the garage afterwards
https://www.houseplans.com/plan/3038…2-garage-37601

Element Farm has just this configuration. BTDT. I think it’s awesome. PM her and see what she has to say about living with it 24/7 and in all seasons.

Many older farms around here are set up this way. We just looked at two. Unfortunately both needed more work than we want to do, but the layout was perfect.

There was a planned horse community somewhere in the west that had a great design like this. The house and barn were separated by a carport/garage so you had the noise/smell separation but could head from one to the other and stay inside.

http://horsemansranch.com/our-story/

http://horsemansranch.com/homesites/

Check this web site, they have house/barn combo’s.

What you’d build and why will be different in the Northeast than it will in a warmer climate. I even made a video of the walk from my spot On The Couch With Cats out to the horses during an ice storm while at Element Farm’s place just to show my West Coast family how rad that design was.

Some words to the wise:

Don’t share a wall between a stall and living space. I think you’ll hear the horses more than most people (or less-horsey, future buyers) would want.

The breezeway is a nice buffer between house and barn. But the beauty of having them connected is that it’s easier and cheaper to do plumbing and HVAC so that you can have a wash rack, laundry and the all-important-heated/cooled tack room.

If I were building this way and for the butt-cold ice storm of a day in NY, I’d do an aisle barn with a tack/laundry room taking up one of the stalls at the front of the barn. Opposite that, I’d have a feed or storage room (depending on where I put my hay… assuming it’s not in a loft). Behind the stall that was the link to the house, I’d then put the wash rack and/the grain room. There’s be a stall or two on the end of that side, behind the house. The opposite side would be stalls. I will say that you might end up wanting more than 12’ of distance between, say, your kitchen and the tackroom. I think I’d have a longer mudroom there. Like a series of “dirt decompression chambers”-- from the barn to the kitchen involves the tack room and mudroom. Maybe you put shared laundry there.

IMO and experience when buying a house or a horse farm, building a house and or horse farm. One should always look at future resale, value and desirability.

There are certain “norms” that people in general are used to and want. The further you deviate from those norms the more you reduce the overall market appeal. It can and does reduce the potential buyer pool considerably.

People may say, think, hope they will live on their property for a long time, for life. But things can and do change. One never knows when they will wake up one day and want to move, change. Or have to sell due to any number of life’s uncertainties.

A lot people, horse people will not find a house built next to and or connected or built over a barn “desirable”. IMO it will have very limited market appeal. As a life long horse person I would have no interest.

Horses and flies, spiders etc go hand and hand. No mater how diligent one is with pest control. Big or small horse operation the area around a barn gets a lot of traffic, horse and equipment. I try and keep the area around my barn look nice, but there are times, plenty of times, due to weather, work load etc, it is not keep as nice as I would like.

I am just not going to rake up, blow, sweep everyday to keep it looking nice. Equipment, trailers, mowers, etc can and do “drag-carry” mud/dirt etc around with them. Hay, straw, shavings, can and do seem to follow horse and humans with them, wind scatters it. I am used to the smell of horses, others no so much. I prefer to keep the smell of horses in the barn, barn area as much as possible

IMO and experience keep the area, landscaping etc around my house a lot easier looking nice than around my barn, shop, etc.

“What changed my mind finally was the firemen I know that told me a house should be at least 100’ from any barn, to protect both best”

Due to the nature of their job and training this is the mindset of “fireman”. But considering most suburban housing is separated by maybe 25-50’ and we never read, see a block of houses burn down when one house on the block has a a fire I don’t see how this should be much of a concern. I live my life by the “norms” not the exceptions. The News don’t “report” the norms they tend to only show the “exceptions” so people tend to think they are common.

“The hay will be kept in a separate small barn and not in a loft above the barn because of the fire hazard”

This is a common “theme” and holds little to no bases in fact. Fact is barn fires, especially horse barn fires are very rare. So rare that statistics for “horse barn fires” only aren’t even kept. They are lumped into all “Ag structures”. Regardless of use. My barn, a VERY large bank barn is over 300 years old. Not only do I store 100s of tons of hay and straw in it. So have ALL of the other owners of this property over the past 300 years. If barn fires due to hay storage were as common as people seem to think this ole barn would have burned down a long time ago. I have asked to my issuance agents if storing hay and straw in my barn will effect on the cost of my policy. In short no. At least not in my neck of the insurance woods. What does have an effect is the repair and maintenance and the barns “systems”, electrical, heat sources, water, etc.

“but I know some had to do with firewalls and with ventilation.”

This is and has been standard fire and building code for a long time. Be it a barn attached or a garage to the living area, “condo housing”. Some areas may only require a double layer of fire resident drywall. Others a cinder block wall. “Ventilation” is not for “air movement”, fire code calls for restriction of. “Holes” where electric, plumbing etc pass through to the living area have to be filled with code approved fire resistant “caulk, filler” etc. Doors have to have a fire “burn through” rating of X time. This shouldn’t add significant cost.

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I was so shocked to see the number of houses attached to barns when we lived very briefly in Maine! Definitely old construction, but makes so much sense for their winters (in fact, one person said to me, “This must feel just like home [meaning Montana] with all these house-barn combinations. You must have those all over, considering the winters out there!” Ugh, heck no. MT winters are way easier than Maine winters, and I’d never seen one in my life, though I’m sure as a horse-crazy schoolgirl I dreamed up plenty of ways my horses could live “in the house”). However, I remember talking to some owners of a place like that, and they pointed out that insurance was unobtainable in their area for an attached house and livestock building, so the previous owners had literally chainsawed the wall connecting the house and barn. So there was like a 2" gap where the chainsaw blade was stuck through, which was apparently enough disconnect to be able to insure? Anyway I love the idea!

My barn is “attached” to my garage. I go from the kitchen to the garage into the tackroom.

The house was built first, with a full exterior wall. Then the barn was built abutting, but not physically connected to, the house. The electrical and water connections are underground. One interior wall in the tackroom is actually the exterior wall of the house, complete with vinyl siding. And the door between the tack room and the garage is an exterior door.

This satisfied both the local building inspectors/code, and the insurance company.

The “horse occupied” stalls are on the side away from the house. The side closest to the house has the tackroom, a wash stall, an equipment stall, and a hay stall.

The barn is also far enough away from the house that we do not hear barn noises, nor smell barn smells in the house.

I LOVE it, especially when it is cold or raining/snowy, or I have a situation where a horse needs to be checked multiple times in the night.

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I’ve lived in 3 different barns with living quarters. They all were different but really great. You do hear the horses if they are stabled at night. I got used to their normal noises and they only woke me up when something was abnormal.(colicing/cast/out of water/strange animal wandered into barn) I always felt like it was a blessing to be near them and able to help them asap.
I never had problems with odor or flies as all stables were kept cleaner than my house :smiley:
I’m considering living in a house-barn again very soon.

My husband used to be a firefighter and said whatever you do ditch the idea of a connecting breezeway. He has been on multiple fires that both garage and house were a total loss. That breezeway acts as a bridge for the fire and air going under the breezeway fans the flames. He said one way he might consider it safe would be if you have a firewall installed. If a fire ever did happen I would much rather lose one building than both.

In Maine, if the barn was not accessible from the inside of the house, you had a heavy duty rope strung from your back door to the barn people door so you could feel/pull your way along during bad weather!

I’ve posted about it before. I have a 24x24 apt apartment attached to the back of my horse barn. Just DH and I, no kids, too many dogs. It’s 1 BR, 1 Bath, laundry room, open kitchen/eating/living area. It’s on a foundation, not a pole building.

Regrets? Yeah. I didn’t build it big enough. If I had to do it over again I would have done about 30x36 for a larger BR and kitchen/living area as well as an extra bedroom. The original plan was to build a house on the property, so I thought it would be fine. It still is fine, I just wish I had a tad more room. My computer is in the tack room/office/half-bath that shares a wall with the house. I love being able to step off my porch on to the wash rack of my barn. House floors are laminate and tile so no big deal about tracked in outside dirt. I don’t notice any more horse smell or flies than when my house was a couple hundred feet from the barn. I rarely have flies in the house, but I really don’t have many in the barn, either.

I’d check with building codes before you fall in love with the idea too much. I can’t imagine an area like Millbrook NY allowing a pole structure as a residence. While I haven’t lived in NY for over 20 years, I’m sure they still love their building codes.

I currently live in a Barnmaster barn. Single story. We have a six stall center aisle with tack room and wash stall. Then you walk into the apartment through a mud room into the 1200 sq foot living space. I love it. There is a firewall between the barn and apartment, and the apartment is built to county housing code. It was well done.

The downside to this. Getting a conventional mortgage is very difficult. In the case of this property, it’s impossible because there is a second dwelling on the property (600 sq foot cottage). So you have to consider the ability to resell. Even if this is a “forever” home, life changes, s*** happens. You need to be able to easily resell.

The Barnmaster apartment was done well. But the owner could have easily sunk the money spent on the apartment to a single family dwelling, and the farm would have been sellable. Currently, unless you have a large chunk of cash, it is not. And let’s face it- how many of us horse people who want to live in a barn apartment have a chunk of cash sitting in the bank?

as MVP said, we have a very similar setup:
4 stall center-aisle barn with wash stall and tackroom. The tackroom has a door that leads to the large mudroom (we use it for dogs, tackroom overflow, and our motley collection of barn boots. The HVAC is shared between those two spaces, so the tackroom (and half bath) are cool (and tack doesn’t mold) in the summer, and warm in winter (so shampoos and fly sprays don’t freeze, and for the barn cats to come in)

As far as I’m concerned, there are NO downsides. I love it. Our starter farm that we rented for a year had a similar design (albeit smaller) and I converted! I fell in love with the ability to do night check in PJs and not get soaked when feeding during storms.

I live in horse country and a large percentage of the horse farms have attached barn and houses, either one-level like ours, or huntboxes. I’ve never heard of anyone having problems getting insurance and our mortgage company didn’t care.

as for fire risk, honestly I think our house is more likely to catch fire than the barn: the barn is cinderblock, and not much is flammable other than shavings/hay, which aren’t near any outlets. We use sealed-motor fans, and between the cinderblock walls and concrete aisle, it seems pretty low-risk for fire. The wall between the barn and the mudroom is cinderblock as well, so I’m not sure if that counts as a ‘fire wall’ but I presume it would help contain any fire?

regarding resale: since I live in horse country, I’m assuming prospective buyers will be horse people as well. I think they would appreciate the layout like we do, so I’m not at all worried about that aspect.

I’m in VA right now but will be back home this weekend. If you PM me your email address, I can send you some photos our setup. I love love love it.
And since I grew up in Maine, I fully appreciate how cold winters get in NY and New England. I think if you can make this design work, you’ll have no regrets.

For bank financing and future resale, I would design the barn so potential buyers see it as a garage or shop. Make certain that the barn front matches the style of the house and connects with the driveway. Carriage doors on the front would look great for either barn or garage. Exterior stall doors on the backside would be a bonus for ventilation in a shop. Put in a cement floor with ample drainage and then mat it for horse safety. Stalls can be modular and easily removed. Tack or feed rooms easily become offices, man (or woman) caves or gardening sheda.

We almost bought a property where we would have converted the garage into horse barn with a covered walkway to the house. Every October through June when the Oregon rain is constant, I think of how nice this would be…

Thanks for all the feedback! I’m loving this idea more and more and can’t wait to make it a reality!