B12, ulcers, spookiness/ pain?

I seem to recall in reading up on human nutrition that when someone suffers from ulcers, their ability to absorb B12 is minimized. Perhaps it was B vitamins in general… my memory is poor.

It’s long been held that if a horse is reactive, spooky, cranky on top of typical acupressure points being reactive, it’s prudent to put them on an ulcer supplement or just go straight to the gg.

It got me thinking: if a horse seems to have dramatic behavioral improvement after the 28 day course of gg, but still has an exaggerated response to certain stimuli, I wonder if they’re subsequently dealing with a B12 issue. B12 of course being the vitamin for neurological health, among other things.

Vets, nutrition experts, anyone with experience: care to chime in?
Thanks.

Bueller… ?

Did a quick search:

https://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/forum/discussion-forums/horse-care/9858982-side-effects-of-long-term-gastrogard

https://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/forum/discussion-forums/horse-care/9903593-long-term-management-for-ulcer-prone-horse

Ulcers can cause malabsorption in general, depending on how severe they are and how long they’ve been around. B12 and magnesium are 2 nutrient most commonly involved.

But if treatment goes on long enough, because the reduced acid production results in a lower ability to break food down into its usable parts. B12 relies directly on an acidic enough stomach in order to break down the proteins that contain it, and that’s just to get to the point of being able to bind that now-freed B12 with another protein that makes it bioavailable in the rest of the body.

It’s long been held that if a horse is reactive, spooky, cranky on top of typical acupressure points being reactive, it’s prudent to put them on an ulcer supplement or just go straight to the gg.

Not sure if it’s “long held”, but that’s the current thought process. It’s not one I necessarily agree with, as I think it’s more complicated than that. But a trial run of 5-7 days of treatment won’t hurt and may given you valuable input. I would go to a treatment product, not just a supplement aimed at “prevention”.

There are any number of other issues that can have a horse reacting that way, so it’s good to be open to ruling out other things as well

It got me thinking: if a horse seems to have dramatic behavioral improvement after the 28 day course of gg, but still has an exaggerated response to certain stimuli, I wonder if they’re subsequently dealing with a B12 issue. B12 of course being the vitamin for neurological health, among other things.

Vets, nutrition experts, anyone with experience: care to chime in?
Thanks.

It’s definitely possible. A diet high in sugar can cause a B1 deficiency, as the high sugar diet upsets the healthy microbiome necessary to produce what the horse needs, so he can never catch up. Making sure the diet is lower NSC, or at least not feeding pounds of a high NSC concentrate, and supplementing a small container of B1, usually is enough to get them in balance again, and then they can keep up with B1 production themselves.

I’ll just give the abridged version of my story with spookiness, GG and ulcers:

Very kind, happy horse starts getting chronic ulcers. Each time I noticed him not eating his grain, we would scope him and he’d have grade 3 ulcers. At the same time, under saddle he was increasingly spooky and unreasonable in his reaction to trying to get him past whatever was scaring him. To the point that one day he spun and ran the other way, which he’d never done in his life. The behavior improved during the GG, but spookiness would return almost immediately after the treatment was over.

After the 4th round of GG (1month treatment), the last 2 being effectively back to back I figured this wasn’t environmental.

Turns out he had vertebral arthritis and kissing spine. Treated with injections, chiro and Tildren.

Rehabbed for about a month of long/low work in a Pessoa rig and he went right back to being his happy, sound, non-ulcerated self.

Poor guy was trying to hard to work through the pain he gave himself ulcers.

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