Baby Green Hunter Moment VIDEO UPDATE on p 10

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OP, you should go take a clinic with GM if you can. He has a great exercise he teaches about the importance of a crop and how to use it effectively on a green horse and or on the approach to really scary fences like liverpools.

I question the rational that the OP uses that she is too cheap to buy a proper crop for the show ring. She has paid a trainer, the show fees & to get to the show so she’s clearly not cheap. It seems like a waste of money to me to go and stand in the ring and stop at the jumps.

I want my horses to be successful and go around the courses nice and forward and brave so I always make sure I have a crop in hand and spurs on my boots.

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If you can tune up a leg yield (for example) tapping the crossing hind leg at the inception of its step each stride for two or three repetitions, swinging your arm off the inside rein all the way behind your leg and then back to the rein again each stride while you are at it, without “any loss of control or other aids,” then you are way, WAY slicker than me.

Me, I don’t think I can get my arm behind/infrontof/behind/infrontof/behind/infrontof my leg that fast (to say nothing of quietly stabilizing the inside bend while all of this back and forthing is going on), nor am I coordinated enough to school a leg yield on a greenie one handed, so I just accept my limitations, choose to carry a long whip for schooling, and am flat out too cheap to buy a bat just for shows.[/QUOTE]

I think that’s an interesting viewpoint. Personally my priority is always forward, first. I would have carried a stick (and worn spurs) to make sure that I could reinforce the message that the horse is to march down the lines wherever I tell him, whether it’s scary or not; that is a safety issue for me and not one I am flexible about.

I’d not worry about schooling lateral movements in the show ring, but I would definitely be focused on correcting an attempt to get behind the rider’s leg or any refusal to go forward. A quick smack behind the rider’s leg to reinforce the GO button doesn’t represent a loss of control to me; quite the opposite in fact.

Riding in my world is not a democracy; it’s a benevolent dictatorship and I get to call the shots. I don’t want a horse thinking he can have opinions about whether or not he chooses to go where I tell him - that is the ultimate loss of control, IMO.

He is very cute! Such long legs. He’s going to be lovely.

Agree with TR and Lucassb, though, he isn’t in front of your leg at all. I would worry less about leg yield and more about forward until he’s got that down pat. His trips looked in s…l…o…w…m…o…t…i…o…n…

That said, think he did great to be in an indoor at his first show. Those things happen with the young ones.

We do babies . . . can totally relate. You handled him well and I got a big laugh at the stop and reverse out of the gate.

Nothing like a first horse show!:slight_smile:

I’d definitely get things moving a bit. He’s reallly crawling along at a snail’s pace, and combined with a pretty tight rein and tinnnny stride, he’s got almost no momentum to get over the fences because he’s drastically behind the leg. His stop at one point begins before he’s even turning. The quick application of an artificial aid like a crop or spur would likely have helped to avoid that problem altogether.

I find that with the reallllly green ones, carrying an active, forward pace keeps them from becoming distracted by other things. If they’re moving along at a steady clip, they don’t have time to pay attention to things outside of the ring.

Also, have you tried earplugs? They make a world of difference for my horse that tends towards distraction.

[QUOTE=meupatdoes;4656936]
am flat out too cheap to buy a bat just for shows.[/QUOTE]http://www.horse.com/Jump-Bat-18-EQA11.html

Very cute once he gets rolling along.

A quick tap off the ground to keep them coming forward over the jump or a tap behind the leg when you feel them start to suck back is definitely manageable with practice. Sometimes easier to keep them going than to get them going again and you probably don’t want him to learn than the backwards exit out of the ring is appropriate. Admittedly, a show may not be the best time/place to do this if you’re out of practice. I definitely admire your quiet patience as you dealt with the spook in what looks like a pretty scary ring to me.

A bat isn’t that expensive. Heck, you can probably pick one up for free at the end of the show :slight_smile:

Your example of schooling a leg yield is trickier to manage with a bat, tho I’ve seen it done.

As Don Sachey once told me “never go to war without a weapon.”

Flashy, flashy little bugger :wink: Cute as a button.

However, my motto is that when you are dealing with a greenie, at the green stage of their life, every situation is a learning experience for them - whether it is learning to be polite and calm coming off a trailer in a busy environment or getting used to large masses of horses in the schooling ring. My question to you is what do you think your horse learned or message received during those rounds? He picked the pace, he picked his distances, and you did nothing to TEACH him.

Riding with a crop is not hard. Any competent rider should know that you always ALWAYS carry one; that’s the beauty of the design. Use it when you need it, hold it when you don’t. I don’t make an issue of it when I use one. Horse gets one smack, and we go about our business. Lesson very simple.

Overall, very cute…

I’m with the pro-crop users here.

With the young ones, I don’t like to get after them with it… but just flip it as an added “incentive plan” to move ahead.

It’s amazing how petrifying distractions bc less important when they catch a flipped bat out of the corner of their eye!

I found it hysterical that he stopped at the gate in Round 2 and was like… “HOLD UP… they didn’t have THAT there last round. What do you mean I’ve lost my emergency exit strategy?”

Personally, I find it less dangerous to have a crop that may disrupt my leg, but can aid in keeping me in a ring… than backing into a chute where my horse can get wailed on… or could trample someone else. Luckily it was a clear on-deck area and he was slow & steady, however, the outcome could have become a lot worse potentially.

Congratulations for the lovely,patient, soft job you did with your horse…what a nice beginning. Kudos to YOU!!!

Cute Cute Cute!

Your guy has a face similar to my greenie (4 y/o) who happens to be going to his first show to school this weekend :slight_smile: I find one of the hard things about them is to LAUGH at the silly stuff they do rather than get frustrated with it so kudos to you for having the right attitude!!! Looks like you just need to work on your forward pace a bit and you’ll be all set! Brave little guy in that big arena!!

Here’s a video of my horse in a Bernie Traurig clinic at my barn with my trainer. He LOVED it and it was the highest he’s jumped, the most horses he’s been around, and could have cared less about the chairs/speakers in his normally quiet arena. He was so cute taking the first rail, rubbing the second before he realized he had to jump BIGGER! It was a blast to watch!! Looking forward to this weekend.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtj9zOD023w

Meupatdoes he is just the CUTEST thing. I love how he doesn’t have full blown arguments with you, he just quietly hints around that he is scared and is ready to leave…the backing out of the ring was hilarious because it was so slow and calculated :lol: “Sorry mom, just too scary, just can’t do it today…”

I think you did a great job. I like that you quietly insisted he finish his court in the second round. Great recovery. And good thinking to close that gate behind you. :slight_smile:

As far as a crop, I understand the value of one, but I find myself uncoordinated riding with one. I still do on occassion, but I don’t like to. And I don’t in a show. So I would have been in your same “boots”. :slight_smile:

Even if I didn’t have a crop…

I would have half halted with my inside rein and bumped him with my inside leg while pushing him into my outside rein to keep his attention and his focus off the outside of the ring. He would have not been allowed to look up or to the outside.

He would have been legged up and would not have been allowed to stop in the corner and look. Again, half halts do wonders.

I would have bumped him up with my legs into a more rhymical, energetic canter with more forward motion from the git-go.

My reins would have been shorter and my hands would not have been in my lap. Instead, they would have been in front of his wither and active.

I would have been in a light half seat that encourages the forward motion, instead of a sitting position, which indicates collection. I would have not been riding backwards.

If I thought that the horse was going to stop at a jump despite actively bumping and clucking and I didn’t have a crop, I would have put the reins in one hand and reached behind the saddle and tapped him with my other hand.

In other words, I would have been actively riding him, and not a passenger. The rider never looked in control of the situation. The horse went around looking up the entire time pretty much doing what he wanted to do.

Forward and focus are the first things that you teach a young horse.

The horse is very cute. Remember, whenever you get on a horse you are training him, whether it is good or bad.

GM almost killed the last trainer I rode with, sending both him and his horse for a flip in a lesson.
I’d rather not.

Apparently it is a waste of money to have the trainer at all (who btw agrees with me on the crop issue), because the free training on COTH is so much better.

Well there ya go then. Good luck with your horse. He’s cute.

And so long as you’re happy and having fun what does it matter what anyone else says?

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A 16.1 hand one, sure.
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Ok, you are very very tall

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Your guy has a face similar to my greenie (4 y/o) who happens to be going to his first show to school this weekend :slight_smile: I find one of the hard things about them is to LAUGH at the silly stuff they do rather than get frustrated with it so kudos to you for having the right attitude!!! Looks like you just need to work on your forward pace a bit and you’ll be all set! Brave little guy in that big arena!!

Here’s a video of my horse in a Bernie Traurig clinic at my barn with my trainer. He LOVED it and it was the highest he’s jumped, the most horses he’s been around, and could have cared less about the chairs/speakers in his normally quiet arena. He was so cute taking the first rail, rubbing the second before he realized he had to jump BIGGER! It was a blast to watch!! Looking forward to this weekend.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtj9zOD023w[/QUOTE]

Your guy is adorable!

(And how on earth did you make it around with no crop? If you were COMPETANT you would know to ALWAYS carry one.)

She made it around because her horse is in front of her leg and not trying to balk and stop. While it’s obvious he is a greenie and this is the 1st time jumping that height, he’s focused on his job and does not seem overwhelmed, gets down to the jumps confidently with good pace.

ILoveMyBoy-Very nice! Good luck at his 1st show this weekend and let us know how it goes!

I think this group has been MORE than kind to you about the rounds you posted. Why are you being such a little brat?