Sorry-sort of OT but related to this thread-
What is the record here on the COTH BB for most posts/views on a thread?
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Sorry-sort of OT but related to this thread-
What is the record here on the COTH BB for most posts/views on a thread?[/QUOTE]
I don’t know, but I know Suerte had more than Barbaro with 606 pages, over 12,000 replies, and nearly 317,000 views:
http://www.chronicleforums.com/Forum/showthread.php?t=87469&highlight=suerte
So much of that had to do with Mare Stare, and not with Suerte. Just go through that thread and you can see what I’m talking about.
There have definitely been survivors of horrific accidents. Each have been done differently and the outcomes different maybe they could compare and contrast with the success rate and failure and see where changes could be made for horses in the future.
If you read nureyev’s story not every day was bright, or ACN but he went on to survive. Sometimes there are bad days and getting through them is key.
I am very interested in the amputation route, the recovery time must be shorter therefore less case of complications I would believe. Anyone have any experience or info on this?
The Kentucky Derby museum is a grand place for Barbaro’s ashes, his greatest victory came there, It is also an amazing place. I hope to visit in April when I go for Rolex…
Tuesday, January 29th
[B]At 10:30 am today, Eastern Time, we are holding a vigil. Wherever you are, whatever you are doing, please at that time spare some thoughts for a great racehorse and an inspiration for us all to continue his legacy.
[/B] At 10:00 am eastern time there will be a press conference held at Churchill Downs hosted by the Jacksons. This conference appears to be to announce the burial site and memorial for Barbaro: A lasting peace for Barbaro, excerpt:
The Jacksons are going to commission the statue and loan it to Churchill Downs as part of the official Barbaro Memorial Site. The site will be free and accessible to the public 24 hours a day. The Jacksons considered several options for Barbaro’s ashes before deciding on Churchill.
“Churchill was where he had his most memorable race,” Gretchen Jackson said yesterday. “It will be accessible to all the people who loved him so much. It was hard to wrestle with, but it’s just the right place. And Churchill has been great with all this.”
Today will see some added Barbaro press coverage, and some of that focus is also on Barbaro’s legacy. The following are two examples:
Barbaro’s Legacy: A year after death, horse lives on as a vital Web symbol., excerpt:
The “Fans of Barbaro,” as they call themselves, have helped save more than 1,900 horses from slaughter by donating more than $800,000, said Alex Brown, an exercise rider who administers the Web site, which is located at www.alexbrownracing.com. Each week, horse rescuers go on his site and ask for donations to help save horses.
Barbaro’s spirit carries on one year after his death, excerpt:
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“I think it has been absolutely remarkable that so many of the Fans of Barbaro participate in horse rescue,” Gretchen Jackson said. “Isn’t that absolutely remarkable; just a real grassroots movement that has accomplished something, made some changes. It’s excellent; if we could just get the [anti-slaughter] bill through Congress it would be even more remarkable.”
Continued thanks to AlexBrownRacing.
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I am very interested in the amputation route, the recovery time must be shorter therefore less case of complications I would believe. Anyone have any experience or info on this?[/QUOTE]
Here’s an article that talks about amputation in horses:
http://www.thoroughbredtimes.com/horse-health/2006/June/12/Not-just-a-peg-leg.aspx
The Courier-Journal
One year after losing the fight to save Barbaro, Roy and Gretchen Jackson will announce today that the cremated ashes of their 2006 Kentucky Derby winner will be buried at Churchill Downs – the site of his greatest triumph.
The ashes will be buried at the center of a brick plaza outside the track’s Gate 1, which also is near the entrance to the Kentucky Derby Museum. The Jacksons have commissioned a statue of the horse to mark the gravesite.
The location will mean that Barbaro’s fans will be able to visit the grave without having to pay to go inside the museum or the racetrack. (Four other former Derby winners – Brokers Tip, Carry Back, Sunny’s Halo and Swaps – are buried at the museum.)
Roy Jackson said he and his wife still receive cards and letters about the colt, whose fight for life after breaking down in the Preakness Stakes stirred fans from all over the world. Many of those letters “thank us for sharing Barbaro with them,” Roy Jackson said in a telephone interview.
The decision to bury him at Churchill is in keeping with that openness, he said: “I think it’s appropriate, the place where he ran his greatest race and where the general public can come and pay their respects.”
Said Churchill Downs Inc. president Bob Evans: “I have a sneaking suspicion that over the course of a few years, the number of photographs that get taken with people and … this Barbaro statue are going to be mind-boggling.”
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[/B] The Jacksons have been deciding where to bury the ashes, with about three or four sites under consideration. One option was creating a Mid-Atlantic racing museum, but Jackson said that idea didn’t advance.
In the meantime, Churchill will install a bronze marker in the garden planter outside Gate 1 to designate where Barbaro’s ashes and bronze statue will be. The interment will occur when the statue is erected. Jackson said a decision on the artist should be made in a couple of months.
Evans predicted the impact of the memorial could span decades.
“I just hope that over the course of 25 or 50 years, thousands upon thousands of people – whether they’re coming to an everyday race, the Derby, or going to the museum – I hope that it’s just something that … catches their attention and has some meaning and maybe in some small way produces a few more dollars for laminitis research over time. That would be a good outcome.”
Ravenclaw thanks for the article it makes for very intersting reading. I work in the medical profession and have worked with many people that have had amputations done and it frees them…Wish it could happen more with horses…
In the future I hope medical science has the opportunity to advance as it has through the ability to have these horses to work on.
RIP Barbaro, we will always remember you
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So much of that had to do with Mare Stare, and not with Suerte. Just go through that thread and you can see what I’m talking about.[/QUOTE]
I know. I was there, too. Regardless of who it’s about (and the one who started it and the bulk of it was Suerte), it’s a heck of a lot longer than this one.
I remember reading that amputation article last year. I though it was rather funny how Dr. Redden commented that, “People haven’t accepted [equine amputation].”
I don’t think amputation has failed to catch on because people don’t accept it and view it as “torture” or “aesthetically unpleasing” as Redden implies. Rather, I think the problem lies in the lifetime of aftercare. It’s a huge commitment.
Surely, amputation can be done successfully. But equine amputation doesn’t “free” horses as it “frees” a person. For the rest of the horse’s life, it’s going to be 100% dependent on people.
A horse can’t learn to put it’s prosthesis on by himself. And an amputee horse can’t really get around without his prosthesis like a smaller animal can. And horses are just weren’t designed to hold up well to significant periods of time down or in a sling.
It’s still an interesting article, though. I don’t remember ever seriously considering amputation for Barbaro (if the surgeons did, it never made it to my ears). I don’t know if that’s because at Penn we’re less experienced in equine amputation than places like Rood and Riddle, or if there were other factors involved in the decision.
P.S. Sorry for the tangent, I just find the topic extremely interesting.
I seem to remember a Q and A session with Dean Richardson, might have been on Talkin’ Horses on Blood Horse, when somebody asked about amputation specifically related to Barbaro. His reply was that it worked better with smaller horses, and with a horse of Barbaro’s size, you still quite frequently had complications including laminitis in the opposing leg.
I honestly do not see amputation as anything except a last ditch effort when bloodflow to the limb has been compromised. It can work, but it can not be compared as a solution similar to human amputation.
I just don’t know how amputation would work in a horse, either. I know it’s been done, and has been said to be successful, but even a cat needs to relearn how to balance itself.
I’m glad to see the burial site has been chosen, and can’t think of a much better location. :yes: I hope to visit someday…
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(although, I swear I read something at the barbaro boards where someone saw a vision of him in her barn…)
Oh you’ve got to be kidding…:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
The article was wonderful!!
Alright, I certainly haven’t read this whole thread, but my friend sent me a video and she was convinced that Barbaro’s leg was amputated becasue there was a pic of him standing there with the vet and the one leg was shown as amputated above the hock.
I think the pic was photoshopped… and I always thought that amputation was a slim to none chance of being successful in horses… but I’m not a vet so what do I know right?
Now, I was reading this last page and saw that amputation was talked about a bit… does anyone know if they did amputate? I never heard anything about it, or even any talk about it… so I’m not at all convinced- but she certainly is.
I was just wondering… didn’t mean to stir up the Barbaro thread again or anything… just curious as I didn’t hear any talk about the possibility at the time (and didn’t even think about it as I always assumed they couldn’t walk with 3 legs…).
Barbaro had all four legs still attached when he was euthanized.
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That’s what I figured. I’ll pass the info along to my friend.
Sad that someone would photoshop a pic in that way though.:no:
