Bargain hunting – buying sight unseen

Bargain hunting – buying sight unseen

I’m on a limited budget to buy my next jumper so there’s always going to be compromises. The latest prospect is a nicely bred gelding, 4yo, 16.2. Started under saddle in Nov by a Western rider, then the owner hacked him out for a week or two and turned him out. So he’s currently out of work and in the back of beyond. Owner has switched to barrel racing so he’s surplus to requirements.

Last night I talked to the Western rider and he was very honest about the horse, both good and bad. From what he’s said and looking at pictures & videos I think he’s done a lovely job. Horse is w-t-c, ridden through obstacle course & down the road a bit, popped over small jumps by his girlfriend, who is a SJer.

The only reason this horse is in my price range is that he’s turned out and is pretty remote. Seller did say she’d get on him if I came to see him, but if she was keeping him she’d send him back out to get restarted and a few more miles – she has kids now and said she’s not as brave as she was. My thinking is that I’d get him transported to me then take him to a very good horseman near me for 3-4 wks for further education – rather than spending the money to fly and sit on him for 10min.

He sounds like a nice, unspoilt youngster (unlike some of the others I’ve looked at!) I’ve had young horses before and know that even fairly easy going ones will still have their moments :lol: I do have a decent support network and own my own land. I’m in no rush to get him showing, I think he needs lots of general mileage and to grow up a bit more.

Let me tell you my recent story of buying sight unseen. I bought a lovely horse from a friend of mine. He was a beautiful mover, started well over jumps, and very easy to handle on the ground. He checked all of the right boxes. I could not stand riding him. It was crazy because I have been sent many horses for training and I can always work through it, but I just could not enjoy him at all. I kept trying to make myself ride him and I just could not take it anymore. I sold him to a local event rider and they are having a blast.

That was something I never considered. So that’s just something to think about.

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I bought my horse off video when he was 4. Had a gone and tried him I doubt I would have bought him because he’s a technical ride and I’m an adult ammy rerider. That being said, almost 3 years later I adore him in every way and we’ve formed an amazing partnership (he’s still not super simple to ride). If you are okay with the horse not being perfect or just what you’d want in one or more ways and won’t be disappointed if he is sensitive or bouncy or lazy, etc., then I think you are going into it eyes open.

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I have bought several horses sight unseen. My most recent (in the last 3 yrs):

  1. was well represented by owner, no current video. Though the mare was a little greener than I expected. She turned into a fun ride. No regrets and I still have her.
  2. lovely mare with only old, unflattering video. Mare was much nicer than she appeared in video, both physically and mentally. She was pretty, brave, and the kind of horse anyone would appreciate looking out of the stall. No regrets, though it did take me longer than it should have to realize she wasn’t at her best in my program. She’s since been sold to a fabulous home who adores her. No regrets
  3. bought off a video montage from a flipper several states north. Mare was a little less attractive than she appeared in her professionally-executed sales photos. But she’s well broke, sweet to deal with, and I got a screaming deal. I still have no idea why she was so affordable–pretty, good jump, easy lead change. I’m still waiting for the other shoe to drop, but so far she’s exceeded my expectations. No regrets.

So yes, for the right deal, I absolutely support buying sight unseen.
You have to be aware that there will be things you don’t like about the horse, and then decide if you can live with them.
If you’re the type that never wants to sell a horse, this might be too risky. But if you’re willing to take the horse as it is, work with it for six months or a year and then evaluate what you’ve got, and be willing to move it on if it’s not developing the way you hoped, then go for it.

If you’re new to buying horses and/or evaluating off video, I do recommend having a trainer or other experienced friend take a look.

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The idea that the seller would need to send this well-started going W/T/C and hacking out horse back to a trainer to be “Restarted” because “she’s not as brave as she was” but she’s selling the horse to get into barrel racing is a head scratcher to me.

My guess is that he’s got a decent buck, spook and spin, or other trick that makes him a decent ride for a pro but would rattle the cage of most AAs.

Personally, I wouldn’t take the risk but I don’t have land if one is a flop that can’t be resold.

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I have to agree. There are a few red flags here. Usually the “I have kids now and I’m not as brave as I was” points out a possible pro-ride problem (i.e. needs a pro, not an ammy, maybe has a bolt, or a spook, or a wicked buck). Basically, this lady is scared to come off of him, and he’s made her think at some point…she’s going to come off. JMO!

I have bought horses sight unseen, some turned out nice, others had training issues that weren’t disclosed. But, I’m experienced enough that I was able to put a good 6 mos or a year on them, and then find them an appropriate home if they didn’t end up being what I was really looking for. As long as you aren’t dead set on it checking every single box, you definitely could. But this lady’s story sounds like a horse with a training issue, just from what I’ve experienced in the past.

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Possibly but not necessarily. Some people aren’t comfortable on a wiggly green horse. Especially if all they’ve ridden have been solid broke horses. I’d ask some specific questions about what he does and see if I could speak tot he trainer.

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According to the OP, she DID speak to the trainer.

All good points

Yes, I’m fully prepared that the horse might not suit me / could be crazy / could go lame etc. But that’s the case even with a horse you go see in person, have multiple test rides and vet thoroughly (ask me how I know :rolleyes:). It’s a gamble.

I’ve run video & pics past three very experienced friends including a now-retired trainer who says she’d buy him as a hunter prospect. Just waiting to hear back from current trainer.

Initially the owner’s comment about sending him away to be brought back in was a bit concerning to me too. He was at the breakers for 4-6wks and then went back to the owner – she said she rode him round the farm for a week and then turned him out as he seemed to be growing again. She said she didn’t have any problems in that week – she did say she found the English saddle didn’t feel very secure after converting to Western. She and her husband are pretty seriously into the rodeo scene and are away 2-3 weekends a month competing & training – so plausible that with that and kids bringing a big young horse back into work isn’t something she wants to take on. Again, it’s a gamble.

The breaker seemed very honest about the horse – and really why I’m even considering him at all. No buck, rear, bolt. Said that he tended to get a bit stuck feeling in the arena, so he rode him out in the paddock a lot to get him really moving forward and with a purpose, then started riding him down the road. He said he enjoyed riding him and didn’t have any problems.

I’m thinking of putting in an offer that leaves me room to get him into 3-4wks of pro training with great young horse trainer when he arrives. I do all my riding myself, but I want to start on the right foot with a big, young athletic horse.

Last summer I found a horse online that checked all the boxes. I spoke to the owner who sent me nice videos and photos of the horse. He was “put on the backburner due to finances” and “needed a good show home.” Over the two weeks that I spoke with the owner the horse ended up at a sale barn, so I needed to speak to the broker. Broker assured me that her novice rider rides the horse all the time, that he’s a wonderful show horse, etc… I thought about buying him sight unseen, but something told me to spend the money to fly to Grand Rapids to see him for myself, because for me it’s important to have a nice relationship with the horse.

I was so excited going up to MI to try him out. But the horse that got pulled out of the stall looked nothing like the photos, although he was an Appaloosa and it was clear from his markings that he was the same horse. This was more than 2 weeks of neglect and the videos that were sent to me were not recent as claimed (unless the horse lost 200 pounds in 2 days). He was emaciated, had no shoes on and his feet were a mess. The seller offered to let me ride him in the field as the arena was very small, and the horse was extremely herbound, whinnying and crowhopping like a fool. I was able to get him focused and moving along, but I had to ask myself if I would ever truly feel confident in this horse to take it around a course of jumps. The answer was no. I would not take that horse to a show of any kind, heck, I felt bad putting a saddle on its back. I only felt guilty for not rescuing the poor horse. I spoke to my sister who is a vet and she reminded me that we can’t save them all.

In this case, both the owner AND seller weren’t straight with me. I was glad I spent the money on what were somewhat expensive flights to go up there, because the reality is that buying the horse is the inexpensive part. It’s the carry costs that get you over time. I would advise spending money on the flight as it honestly might save you money in the long run. My trip was only $1750 all in and it paid for itself in 1.5 months of not paying board on that poor animal.

From this I learned the importance of seeing for myself. My sister (the vet) had a similar experience and also now shares this sentiment.

I ended up getting a horse that I tried over a weekend. Day 1 I liked him but honestly didn’t fall in love, but on Day 2 I realized that I could canter that horse up to anything and he’d happily find the other side. He was also a big goofball and had the type of personality that I adore. The difference between Day 1 and Day 2 is that they started Day 1 by demonstrating his incredible training, so when I got on him he was a little tired. He had sticky lead changes to begin with, and with him being tired it didn’t help. My trainer didn’t join us as she was too busy, so I was just trying him on my own. On Day 2 I got a fresh horse AND the seller gave me a headset and carried on with the most incredible 1 hour long lesson I’ve ever had in my life. We got most of the lead changes and I could better feel the potential of this horse. I absolutely fell in love with both the horse AND the training style so much that I bought the horse and left him with that trainer for the meantime.

From this I learned that ride 1 may not be most indicative of what you’re really going to get, so if you’re on the fence schedule time into your trip to ensure a ride 2 if you need one.

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I am in the same boat as you. I am an AA rider and recently bought a farm. I don’t have a huge budget but want something athletic enough to eventually move up to 3’3" AOs. I found a horse that looks nice, athletic, and just finished his baby green year. I am in NC and am extremely busy right now with work and wouldn’t be able to get to TX to try the horse for weeks. We are trying to arrange for a short lease to purchase option so that we can make sure this would be a good match, but also to make sure that he is a good candidate to live at home with me.

I recently bought a 4 y.o sight unseen in October. I saw a couple of videos and spoke with the trainer and asked every important question I could think of. The seller was super honest about his ‘flaws’ which to me did not sound like a big deal. He is a green bean and was just taking a bit longer to mature than his other sale horses so he just wanted this horse to find his person. At his price I decided to take the risk and have him vetted. If he did not work out for me, I would have to put in a little work and then re sell.

I think if the price is right, you you do your homework and talk with professionals and feel it may be a good fit, it certainly could be worth the risk. I have no regrets, I think my guy is better than what I had hoped for and he will be my forever horse.

  • The one question I did not ask before purchase (silly me) was how tall he was. Seller said to expect 15.3… well that gelding walked off the trailer and was 15.1 (has now grown to 15.3). Thankfully I am only 5 foot.

Good luck!

That’s a magenta flag to me. Tending to get “a bit stuck feeling” is often code for balky. Are you comfortable working through balkiness at home alone? I’m not trying to project my situation on to yours but I’d probe more into that “stuck” justification, especially if you’re looking for a jumper.

I tried a stunning 3 year old WB who was a homebred from a GP trainer and his price was absurdly low. He was “perfect with a tendency to get a bit balky so we’ve been hacking a lot”. When I sat on him I could feel the power behind that balk. In a video you could barely see it but there was a beast just under the surface. The potential for a dangerous “no” was so strong that his breeder was willing to let him go for essentially nothing because as a new mom she couldn’t take the risk.

Another thing to consider is that most of the good pro trainers who focus on young horses around me will not do less than 60 days, many are 90 days. If your budget is tight enough that you are looking at less than a month of training, do you have secondary resources you can tap if an issue crops up down the road?

Gosh one thing I won’t do is balky.

I bought a horse sight unseen straight off the track as a 3 year old… several states away. Horse was dead lame for a year and a half after we pulled shoes. Which was no biggie since we have pasture. He’s turned out to be the best horse ever!

The other one I bought was always kinda balky… I was always one step ahead of him until I wasn’t and he flipped up and over on me. Probably embarrassed me more than anything. Everything came back clear in all his vettings as well. My vet strongly dislikes him.

Recently bought another horse off of video. Kid was super honest with me and said horse is kinda watchy and a pain to catch but no funny business under saddle. If horse wasn’t invested with ticks and watchy he would of been out of budget :lol:

Thanks for everyone’s thoughts

So the update is that I’ve decided not to pursue this horse any further, for various reasons, not just the unknowns of buying a young out of work horse off a video

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I’ve never regretted a horse I didn’t buy. I’m sorry it didn’t work out but something even better is out there that won’t make you question whether it is the right choice.

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I see this thread petered out a bit but I was also thinking of buying a horse sight unseen (OTTB restarted) and I’m trying to find all possible tips on doing this (possibly) crazy thing. In addition to videos of all gaits, circling, changes, jumps (he only does cross rails) and of course vet checks for soundness. I actually read that someone suggested Face-timing with the owner with the prospective horse- which I thought sounded like a cool idea. Anyone else have any out-of-the box ideas? Thanks!

I would probably ask for a custom video that answers specific requests from you. This is more to guarantee that you are seeing the horse of now,not some video from before.

Requests like shots of the feet and the scrubbed sole to see the quality of the frogs. Tie the tail up and show detail of a square standing horse from the rear with good attention to the hocks. LIft the lips and show the teeth and bite. Please saddle and mount. Show basic gaits and transitions

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Thanks so much - the scrubbed feet is a particularly helpful tip as is the tying-up of the tail!

This. I’ve often thought of ones I passed on and hoped they landed in a good spot-- but I have NEVER regretted NOT buying a horse. Never.