Barisone Aftermath: Not Guilty By Reason of Insanity, And Then

[smoofox]

@Sdel

Well, I implore y’all to consider this:

If Seeker is mommy, then is it that much of a leap to think that LK probably has the password? It seems the post count is a little out of whack with the historic pattern of mommy’s posts….and it seems the move into more direct insults and other delusions are breaking into someone else’s pattern as well.

If that is the case, then it would be even sadder and more inappropriate than I originally thought… I hope not.

[Rhythm_Pace_Impulsion]

Those Benadryl martinis are hitting them hard today apparently

[Maria]

So many questions. So few answers.

[rothmpp]

@Seeker1

Is there anything I or my family can do or say to make things better for you.

I can’t speak for eggbutt, but you know where you could start?

Have Lauren admit she intended to completely destroy MB’s livelihood, family, sanity, and life. That she intended to use any means necessary regardless of who got caught in the crossfire. That she didn’t care if the methods she used were legal, illegal, unethical, or immoral.

Then have her apologize to everyone who was at the farm and affected by her mission.

Then have her apologize to everyone she has threatened on this board both on the threads and in messages.

That’s where you can start.

[hut-ho78]

@Knights_Mom

@DQHubby

Have read it. Have you read the charging instructions to the jury and/or the New Jersey Court Directive #21-20 Criminal - Procedures for Defendants Found Not Guilty by Reason of Insanity
(NGRI) and other Commitments Resulting from Criminal Proceedings? Post 216.

Barisone did do the commission of a guilty act, actus reus, but was also found to be insane at the time of the actus reus, thus no menus rea. If his jury believed he didn’t do the commission of a guilty act, he would have been found not guilty.

IMHO, I agree with the jury’s verdict. I hope he gets the mental health help and tools to prevent any further breaks with reality.

He WAS found Not Guilty. NGI is not guilty due there not being the elements needed to define it as a crime.

If he were found NG, he would be out. Big difference between NG and NGRI.

[hut-ho78]

Exactly.

[eggbutt]

@rothmpp

@Seeker1

Is there anything I or my family can do or say to make things better for you.

I can’t speak for eggbutt, but you know where you could start?

Have Lauren admit she intended to completely destroy MB’s livelihood, family, sanity, and life. That she intended to use any means necessary regardless of who got caught in the crossfire. That she didn’t care if the methods she used were legal, illegal, unethical, or immoral.

Then have her apologize to everyone who was at the farm and affected by her mission.

Then have her apologize to everyone she has threatened on this board both on the threads and in messages.

That’s where you can start.

Yes, this!

[DQHubby]

ere is NO CRIME COMMITTED as I have posted about the elements of actus reus and mens rea

You have quoted part of the Krol doc that states that actus reus has been proven but mens rea hasn’t been. Then you claim NGRI is a case where neither actus reus nor mens rea is provern.You can’t have it both ways. Which is it? I take the quote as the fact. NGRI and krol is to allow the defendant to be treated physically and mentally for the mental condition that caused the insanity at the time of the offense. The defendant is not to be punished for the commission of the guilty act. Treatment is not be used as a punishment. Confinement time is unlimited and determined by the defendant’s doctors and courts.

[eggbutt]

Hey @Kirby - here’s an honest question for you: are you proud of Jonathan for keeping Lauren in a situation that got her shot? Does that make you both parents of the year?

[clipper]

@Seeker1

When she got to the hospital, they had to give her so much blood that her internal organs started to swell which is when they had to cut her open from stem to stern so she could continue to breath and function.

So does this mean the hospital tried to kill her by giving your daughter too much blood which caused the flatlining? Hmm.

[hut-ho78]

@Angela_Freda

@Seeker1

Please bravely use your real name.

Lol, cause seeker1 is your real name?

She has identified herself, several times.

[Knights_Mom]

@hut-ho78

@Knights_Mom

@DQHubby

Have read it. Have you read the charging instructions to the jury and/or the New Jersey Court Directive #21-20 Criminal - Procedures for Defendants Found Not Guilty by Reason of Insanity
(NGRI) and other Commitments Resulting from Criminal Proceedings? Post 216.

Barisone did do the commission of a guilty act, actus reus, but was also found to be insane at the time of the actus reus, thus no menus rea. If his jury believed he didn’t do the commission of a guilty act, he would have been found not guilty.

IMHO, I agree with the jury’s verdict. I hope he gets the mental health help and tools to prevent any further breaks with reality.

He WAS found Not Guilty. NGI is not guilty due there not being the elements needed to define it as a crime.

If he were found NG, he would be out. Big difference between NG and NGRI.

We’ve been through this and I’ll repeat in some respects NG due to insanity is better.

[rothmpp]

@Seeker1

I transcribed the tapes myself.

You do understand that none of us believe that ANY recordings that showed a plan to ACTUALLY murder LK/RG exist and if they do, they are 100% illegal recordings. There is no way the prosecution would not have made a huge effort to get them admitted. It would have made their case for first degree attempted murder essentially airtight.

I mean, how many of us have jokingly said, “I could just kill person X” in our lives? Almost everyone. That alone does not make it a murder plot.

[Knights_Mom]

@DQHubby

ere is NO CRIME COMMITTED as I have posted about the elements of actus reus and mens rea

You have quoted part of the Krol doc that states that actus reus has been proven but mens rea hasn’t been. Then you claim NGRI is a case where neither actus reus nor mens rea is provern.You can’t have it both ways. Which is it? I take the quote as the fact. NGRI and krol is to allow the defendant to be treated physically and mentally for the mental condition that caused the insanity at the time of the offense. The defendant is not to be punished for the commission of the guilty act. Treatment is not be used as a punishment. Confinement time is unlimited and determined by the defendant’s doctors and courts.

That’s not what I said. But you do you.

[DQHubby]

MB’s supporters and LK’s supporters remind me of the Hatfield – McCoy feud. Neither side likes each other, doesn’t really accept the jury’s verdict that found MB did commission a guilty act, but was insane at the time and are blind to the reality that both MB and LK behaviors are responsible for the tragic outcomes both suffered.

[Jillsmith]

Catching up this afternoon…. WOW. The entire Kanarek family is wacko.

[clipper]

@DQHubby

Barisone did do the commission of a guilty act, actus reus, but was also found to be insane at the time of the actus reus, thus no menus rea. If his jury believed he didn’t do the commission of a guilty act, he would have been found not guilty.

I think the problem lies in misunderstanding the law in NJ.
From
Most crimes consist of two broad elements: mens rea and actus reus. Mens rea means to have “a guilty mind.” …
Actus reus literally means “guilty act,” …
To constitute criminal behavior, the actus reus and the mens rea must occur simultaneously.

In the MB case the jury found no Mens rea so therefore there was no crime.
The jury does not have to believe or disbelieve the prosecutor.
Hopefully this is clearer than mud DQHubby.

[Knights_Mom]

@DQHubby

MB’s supporters and LK’s supporters remind me of the Hatfield – McCoy feud. Neither side likes each other, doesn’t really accept the jury’s verdict that found MB did commission a guilty act, but was insane at the time and are blind to the reality that both MB and LK behaviors are responsible for the tragic outcomes both suffered.

I’m only on the side of truth.

As in the verdict determined that in essence there was no crime.

[DQHubby]

Please, for the sake of clarity, what do you think NGRI means in relation to actus reus and mens rea? How is it different from NG in respect to actus reus and mens rea? How is it different from guilty in respect to actus reus and mens rea? Why did the jury find NGRI but not NG?

[Knights_Mom]

@DQHubby

Please, for the sake of clarity, what do you think NGRI means in relation to actus reus and mens rea? How is it different from NG in respect to actus reus and mens rea? How is it different from guilty in respect to actus reus and mens rea? Why did the jury find NGRI but not NG?

See above post by @clipper