Barisone Aftermath: Not Guilty By Reason of Insanity, And Then

[SillyHorse]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@MHM

Nope.

Looks like MHM has replaced herself with a bot.

I like it.

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[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Knights_Mom

@hut-ho78

@Knights_Mom

@DQHubby

Have read it. Have you read the charging instructions to the jury and/or the New Jersey Court Directive #21-20 Criminal - Procedures for Defendants Found Not Guilty by Reason of Insanity
(NGRI) and other Commitments Resulting from Criminal Proceedings? Post 216.

Barisone did do the commission of a guilty act, actus reus, but was also found to be insane at the time of the actus reus, thus no menus rea. If his jury believed he didn’t do the commission of a guilty act, he would have been found not guilty.

IMHO, I agree with the jury’s verdict. I hope he gets the mental health help and tools to prevent any further breaks with reality.

He WAS found Not Guilty. NGI is not guilty due there not being the elements needed to define it as a crime.

If he were found NG, he would be out. Big difference between NG and NGRI.

We’ve been through this and I’ll repeat in some respects NG due to insanity is better.

NGRI is better than NG? If he were NG on all charges he’d be out if jail by now.

[DQHubby]

Then I guess the charging instructions to the jury were wrong.

[trubandloki]

@Scribbler

Edited to add. The really wacked out post about one pill makes you smaller, one pill makes you nasty as a junkyard dog, evaporated to adios! Just as I was replying and saving for posterity. I don’t know if anyone else grabbed it?

I quoted pretty much everything seeker posted as it was posted. Go back and look at my posts to see if what you want is there.

@cutter99

This is quite rich, to the point of bring absolutely ridiculous!

What? You don’t want me to get help? Which clearly can only happen if I send Seeker my real name. No worries about her passing it along to anyone else, she would never do that and why would I not believe this random person on the internet?

@DQHubby

Why did the jury not find MB not guilty? That is the question to be answered. Why is the verdict not guilty?

None of us were in the room so that answer is not available.
But, I am thinking you know that already, right?

@Knights_Mom

There is no guilty act because no crime was deemed to have been committed.

This seems so straight forward, why is it that it keeps having to be repeated?

[Knights_Mom]

@DQHubby

Then I guess the charging instructions to the jury were wrong.

Let’s have the attorneys chime in.

[Knights_Mom]

@trubandloki

@Scribbler

Edited to add. The really wacked out post about one pill makes you smaller, one pill makes you nasty as a junkyard dog, evaporated to adios! Just as I was replying and saving for posterity. I don’t know if anyone else grabbed it?

I quoted pretty much everything seeker posted as it was posted. Go back and look at my posts to see if what you want is there.

@cutter99

This is quite rich, to the point of bring absolutely ridiculous!

What? You don’t want me to get help? Which clearly can only happen if I send Seeker my real name. No worries about her passing it along to anyone else, she would never do that and why would I not believe this random person on the internet?

@DQHubby

Why did the jury not find MB not guilty? That is the question to be answered. Why is the verdict not guilty?

None of us were in the room so that answer is not available.
But, I am thinking you know that already, right?

@Knights_Mom

There is no guilty act because no crime was deemed to have been committed.

This seems so straight forward, why is it that it keeps having to be repeated?

Yes. But there’s more to this than that. We shall see.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@rothmpp

@Seeker1

I transcribed the tapes myself.

You do understand that none of us believe that ANY recordings that showed a plan to ACTUALLY murder LK/RG exist and if they do, they are 100% illegal recordings. There is no way the prosecution would not have made a huge effort to get them admitted. It would have made their case for first degree attempted murder essentially airtight.

I mean, how many of us have jokingly said, “I could just kill person X” in our lives? Almost everyone. That alone does not make it a murder plot.

The prosecutor met his burden for attempted murder. MB would have been found Guilty if the defense had not met its burden.

[Knights_Mom]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@rothmpp

@Seeker1

I transcribed the tapes myself.

You do understand that none of us believe that ANY recordings that showed a plan to ACTUALLY murder LK/RG exist and if they do, they are 100% illegal recordings. There is no way the prosecution would not have made a huge effort to get them admitted. It would have made their case for first degree attempted murder essentially airtight.

I mean, how many of us have jokingly said, “I could just kill person X” in our lives? Almost everyone. That alone does not make it a murder plot.

The prosecutor met his burden for attempted murder. MB would have been found Guilty if the defense had not met its burden.

No. Because no crime was present according to the verdict.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@SillyHorse

@CurrentlyHorseless

@MHM

Nope.

Looks like MHM has replaced herself with a bot.

I like it.

Nope.

LOL. The same bot for two posters!

[Scribbler]

@Knights_Mom

@Seeker1

Why are u so angry knights mom?

I’m not angry just curious why you won’t answer why your daughter had to go to a hotel room and not your home after being shot.

I’m not angry I’m just not used to watching someone so ignore the actions of their daughter who has learned and has a modus operandi of going through life in a constant state of drama, existing by threatening and demeaning others while lying through their teeth.

In addition there has been past information never refuted that LK’s father worked hard to find her a living situation at the farm because she was not allowed to live at her parents house which was close. There has been speculation why that might be. LK recuperated in a hotel room after release from hospital and celebrated the recent long weekend with family in a hotel or restaurant in NYC. It’s quite clear she does not go to the family home at times other folks might.

Perhaps it is not LK banned per se, but rather RG. Or drugs.

Since we’ve all been very curious about this perhaps @Seeker1 can explain. Of course I’m sure it will all come out eventually in the civil trial.

[SillyHorse]

LOLOL You so funny! Nope.

[ekat]

What they’re missing is that you can go through that flowchart, get yep, he shot her, keep going, yep, dude was bat turd crazy insane, so NGRI, which results in No Crime Was Committed, dude is Acquitted. And now we’re going to figure out if he is presently a danger to himself or others.

People are stopping at NGRI means he committed a crime. He didn’t. It means the exact opposite of that.

And while I’m typing…people in the forum are allowed to believe and support the verdict and still be skeptical that the shooting happened anywhere near any of RG or LK or ED’s many differing scenarios.

The greatest travesty right now is Michael Barisone is six days out from his 30 day hearing that was supposed to determine his path going forward, and he’s still sitting in a county jail in direct opposition to NJ law.

[Knights_Mom]

@ekat

What they’re missing is that you can go through that flowchart, get yep, he shot her, keep going, yep, dude was bat turd crazy insane, so NGRI, which results in No Crime Was Committed, dude is Acquitted. And now we’re going to figure out if he is presently a danger to himself or others.

People are stopping at NGRI means he committed a crime. He didn’t. It means the exact opposite of that.

And while I’m typing…people in the forum are allowed to believe and support the verdict and still be skeptical that the shooting happened anywhere near any of RG or LK or ED’s many differing scenarios.

The greatest travesty right now is Michael Barisone is six days out from his 30 day hearing that was supposed to determine his path going forward, and he’s still sitting in a county jail in direct opposition to NJ law.

I screenshot what you wrote if that’s OK to use it when I’m asked about this for the 1900th time.

[eggbutt]

@Seeker1

Why are u so angry knights mom?

Ask your daughter!

[ekat]

@Knights_Mom

I screenshot what you wrote if that’s OK to use it when I’m asked about this for the 1900th time.

I should do the same, lol. Getting tired of finding ways to spell it out.

[Knights_Mom]

@ekat

@Knights_Mom

I screenshot what you wrote if that’s OK to use it when I’m asked about this for the 1900th time.

I should do the same, lol. Getting tired of finding ways to spell it out.

I know, right?

[Joanne]

@Seeker1 Do you know someone by the name of Sean McCartney?

[Rhythm_Pace_Impulsion]

Here you go, in all its ugly glory

[cutter99]

@Seeker1

Maria, My daughter accepted some responsibility for her rude comments and expressed remorse. If you want to criticize someone for not accepting responsibility, at least know the facts as mentioned in court.

So @Seeker1, since Lauren has “accepted some responsibility for her rude comments and expressed remorse”, when can we be expected to receive apologies for the threats she issued to individuals here?

I was threatened by your daughter repeatedly, and called a liar. It was not appreciated as I did nothing to her.

I am a mother. If my child behaved the way Lauren does, there is absolutely no way I would be here attempting to defend her, while all the while making excuses for her incredibly rotten foul behavior.

Wake up Kirby! You are part of the problem. Go to Al Anon. Find a spine. Instead of calling a spade a spoon, call it a shovel and address the truth. The sickness only spreads like mold unless you call it out truthfully. Based on your posts here today, it is spreading at warp speed in your world! And you and truth are not well aquatinted!

[DQHubby]

Then explain why the jury did not find MB not guilty if he didn’t commit a guilty act? If he did not do anything wrong, then why the NGRI. There are many insane people doing crazy stuff and they don’t find themselves being sent to a psychiatric setting unless they did something that was illegal.

Your ‘none of us were in the room’ is a cop out answer. What was the legal reasoning behind the NGRI verdict? Why was the jury instructions for NGRI saying that if the prosecution proved beyond a reasonable doubt the defendant did the act and the defense proved insanity the verdict would be NGRI? Still don’t have an answer to the charging instructions and how the jury would find that the defendant did not do the guilty act and insane so NGRI. Yes, the defendant can not be held responsible for his guilty act, but he still did do the guilty act. If he didn’t do the guilty act he would be not guilty.