Barisone Aftermath: Not Guilty By Reason of Insanity, And Then

[BrownDerby]

@CurrentlyHorseless

I would have loved to learn the distinction between “shall” and “will” in British English. I suspect you don’t know the distinction, either.

My understanding, and this may be archaic, is that '“shall” means “might” (i.e., maybe, perhaps) and “will” means, well, “will.”

[Seeker1]

and yet here you are bigMama1.

[Seeker1]

I totally agree with you CanteringCarrot… but probably not for the same reasons.

[ekat]

@BrownDerby

My understanding, and this may be archaic, is that '“shall” means “might” (i.e., maybe, perhaps) and “will” means, well, “will.”

In legal terms, “shall” is a command. “Will” is an anticipation of future acts.

[Knights_Mom]

@ekat

@Knights_Mom

I use “shall” all the time

So do lawyers. And the law.

My test for my job was full of memorizing shalls musts and cans

[trubandloki]

@Seeker1

and yet here you are bigMama1.

@Seeker1

I totally agree with you CanteringCarrot… but probably not for the same reasons.

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[BrownDerby]

Love it. Makes me think of riding with Lendon Gray.

[trubandloki]

@Knights_Mom

My test for my job was full of memorizing shalls musts and cans

The vacuuming exam sounds very difficult.

[Knights_Mom]

@trubandloki

@Knights_Mom

My test for my job was full of memorizing shalls musts and cans

The vacuuming exam sounds very difficult.

Some compare it to the Bar but case law and written section is excluded.

I googled a similar test prep quizzes to give a gist of the type of questions we are tested on. This seems to be part of one chapter in one section of law regarding child abuse or neglect. I studied 18 months for my test and for the last 6 months 5 or 6 hours a day.

There are 150 such questions in all areas of law.

https://www.brainscape.com/flashcards/fca-article-10-6327450/packs/9695316

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Knights_Mom

@CurrentlyHorseless

@FitzE

@CurrentlyHorseless

Do you still not understand that the point

I understood entirely and correctly the point of your lie. As did literally everyone else commenting. You are alone in your backpedaling.

@CurrentlyHorseless

“will” and “shall” in British English.

It has nothing to do with “British English”. It has to do with English. As a lawyer, I battle the rampant misuse of ‘shall’ every damn day. I have a standing memo about it for my ESL colleagues - and many native English speakers as well. You do not deserve my labour as you are dishonest - and not just about your edits. You lied about/misrepresented me before (and were called out by other posters that time, too).

@CurrentlyHorseless

I didn’t even stoop to accuse you of “lying” with the incorrect date, as I knew it was a simple mistake.

In which case it would have been nonsensical for you to do so b/c it wasn’t a lie. You made a deliberate choice to describe your actions as you did with no qualifiers whatsoever.

Falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus.

I’m a speaker of American English, and “shall” is not used at all, unless to affect Britishness. Perhaps you are saying that American English is not legitimate; all English is British English and we Americans just doing wrong. How very imperialistic of you!

I would have loved to learn the distinction between “shall” and “will” in British English. I suspect you don’t know the distinction, either.

How about “whilst”? Is that anything different from just being the British version of “while”?

I didn’t lie and am not backpedaling. I am, however, writing a bit more defensively to guard against your clever word play. Clever, clever, clever!

I use “shall” all the time.

LOL. I said Americans don’t use “shall” unless they want to “affect Britishness”.

Have you used it even once in any of your thousands of posts on COTH?

Do you understand the distinction between “will” and “shall”? FitzE claims she does, but I don’t believe her.

I suspect the distinction is archaic, even among the Brits. Perhaps DreadPirateRoberts knows it. He’s one articulate pirate, for sure.

[Knights_Mom]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@Knights_Mom

@CurrentlyHorseless

@FitzE

@CurrentlyHorseless

Do you still not understand that the point

I understood entirely and correctly the point of your lie. As did literally everyone else commenting. You are alone in your backpedaling.

@CurrentlyHorseless

“will” and “shall” in British English.

It has nothing to do with “British English”. It has to do with English. As a lawyer, I battle the rampant misuse of ‘shall’ every damn day. I have a standing memo about it for my ESL colleagues - and many native English speakers as well. You do not deserve my labour as you are dishonest - and not just about your edits. You lied about/misrepresented me before (and were called out by other posters that time, too).

@CurrentlyHorseless

I didn’t even stoop to accuse you of “lying” with the incorrect date, as I knew it was a simple mistake.

In which case it would have been nonsensical for you to do so b/c it wasn’t a lie. You made a deliberate choice to describe your actions as you did with no qualifiers whatsoever.

Falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus.

I’m a speaker of American English, and “shall” is not used at all, unless to affect Britishness. Perhaps you are saying that American English is not legitimate; all English is British English and we Americans just doing wrong. How very imperialistic of you!

I would have loved to learn the distinction between “shall” and “will” in British English. I suspect you don’t know the distinction, either.

How about “whilst”? Is that anything different from just being the British version of “while”?

I didn’t lie and am not backpedaling. I am, however, writing a bit more defensively to guard against your clever word play. Clever, clever, clever!

I use “shall” all the time.

LOL. I said Americans don’t use “shall” unless they want to “affect Britishness”.

Have you used it even once in any of your thousands of posts on COTH?

Do you understand the distinction between “will” and “shall”? FitzE claims she does, but I don’t believe her.

I suspect the distinction is archaic, even among the Brits. Perhaps DreadPirateRoberts knows it. He’s one articulate pirate, for sure.

I have no idea why you keep challenging me when all you do is lose again and again and again.

If I make a statement, it’s TRUE.

Unlike you and your friends.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@BrownDerby

@CurrentlyHorseless

I would have loved to learn the distinction between “shall” and “will” in British English. I suspect you don’t know the distinction, either.

My understanding, and this may be archaic, is that '“shall” means “might” (i.e., maybe, perhaps) and “will” means, well, “will.”

I think you might be on the right track that it has to do with intention vs commitment. .

But McArthur said, famously, “I shall return”. I think it was supposed to be more forceful that “I might return”. Of course McArthur was American, so what would he know?

Is it possible that it’s the other way around, that “shall” means “this is gonna happen” and “will” means “it is my intent or will” but not an absolute commitment?

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@Knights_Mom

@CurrentlyHorseless

@Knights_Mom

@CurrentlyHorseless

@FitzE

@CurrentlyHorseless

Do you still not understand that the point

I understood entirely and correctly the point of your lie. As did literally everyone else commenting. You are alone in your backpedaling.

@CurrentlyHorseless

“will” and “shall” in British English.

It has nothing to do with “British English”. It has to do with English. As a lawyer, I battle the rampant misuse of ‘shall’ every damn day. I have a standing memo about it for my ESL colleagues - and many native English speakers as well. You do not deserve my labour as you are dishonest - and not just about your edits. You lied about/misrepresented me before (and were called out by other posters that time, too).

@CurrentlyHorseless

I didn’t even stoop to accuse you of “lying” with the incorrect date, as I knew it was a simple mistake.

In which case it would have been nonsensical for you to do so b/c it wasn’t a lie. You made a deliberate choice to describe your actions as you did with no qualifiers whatsoever.

Falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus.

I’m a speaker of American English, and “shall” is not used at all, unless to affect Britishness. Perhaps you are saying that American English is not legitimate; all English is British English and we Americans just doing wrong. How very imperialistic of you!

I would have loved to learn the distinction between “shall” and “will” in British English. I suspect you don’t know the distinction, either.

How about “whilst”? Is that anything different from just being the British version of “while”?

I didn’t lie and am not backpedaling. I am, however, writing a bit more defensively to guard against your clever word play. Clever, clever, clever!

I use “shall” all the time.

LOL. I said Americans don’t use “shall” unless they want to “affect Britishness”.

Have you used it even once in any of your thousands of posts on COTH?

Do you understand the distinction between “will” and “shall”? FitzE claims she does, but I don’t believe her.

I suspect the distinction is archaic, even among the Brits. Perhaps DreadPirateRoberts knows it. He’s one articulate pirate, for sure.

I have no idea why you keep challenging me when all you do is lose again and again and again.

If I make a statement, it’s TRUE.

Unlike you and your friends.

You did use “shall”, KM! In that context, I’m classifying it as “affecting Britishness”.

[Knights_Mom]

@CurrentlyHorseless

@Knights_Mom

@CurrentlyHorseless

@Knights_Mom

@CurrentlyHorseless

@FitzE

@CurrentlyHorseless

Do you still not understand that the point

I understood entirely and correctly the point of your lie. As did literally everyone else commenting. You are alone in your backpedaling.

@CurrentlyHorseless

“will” and “shall” in British English.

It has nothing to do with “British English”. It has to do with English. As a lawyer, I battle the rampant misuse of ‘shall’ every damn day. I have a standing memo about it for my ESL colleagues - and many native English speakers as well. You do not deserve my labour as you are dishonest - and not just about your edits. You lied about/misrepresented me before (and were called out by other posters that time, too).

@CurrentlyHorseless

I didn’t even stoop to accuse you of “lying” with the incorrect date, as I knew it was a simple mistake.

In which case it would have been nonsensical for you to do so b/c it wasn’t a lie. You made a deliberate choice to describe your actions as you did with no qualifiers whatsoever.

Falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus.

I’m a speaker of American English, and “shall” is not used at all, unless to affect Britishness. Perhaps you are saying that American English is not legitimate; all English is British English and we Americans just doing wrong. How very imperialistic of you!

I would have loved to learn the distinction between “shall” and “will” in British English. I suspect you don’t know the distinction, either.

How about “whilst”? Is that anything different from just being the British version of “while”?

I didn’t lie and am not backpedaling. I am, however, writing a bit more defensively to guard against your clever word play. Clever, clever, clever!

I use “shall” all the time.

LOL. I said Americans don’t use “shall” unless they want to “affect Britishness”.

Have you used it even once in any of your thousands of posts on COTH?

Do you understand the distinction between “will” and “shall”? FitzE claims she does, but I don’t believe her.

I suspect the distinction is archaic, even among the Brits. Perhaps DreadPirateRoberts knows it. He’s one articulate pirate, for sure.

I have no idea why you keep challenging me when all you do is lose again and again and again.

If I make a statement, it’s TRUE.

Unlike you and your friends.

You did use “shall”, KM! In that context, I’m classifying it as “affecting Britishness”.

You would again be wrong. I was just speaking/writing and was not not affecting Britishness at all. I would NEVER affect Britishness. I’m a YANK.

In the Revolution, I’d be Sybil Ludington.

[Knights_Mom]

@Graymaresrule

If the injured person had medical bills that insurance covered doesn’t the insurance company get second dibs? personal property also?

I’m guessing it’s state specific so I do not know.

[CanteringCarrot]

“Affecting Britishness”

What the actual…

[CanteringCarrot]

I’m going to take a wild guess based off of FitzE’s profession that she does know the difference and can effectively use “shall” and “will” but by all means, assume away.

[PDDT]

Please see this link for an explanation of the grammatical use of shall and will: https://dictionary.cambridge.org/grammar/british-grammar/future-will-and-shall

This is not to suggest that FritzE’s explanation is incorrect. There are many words that we commonly use that, when used in contracts and other legal documents, have a different meaning. Will and shall are very good examples of that.

I find it very sad when people infer that someone with a comprehensive vocabulary or good grasp of grammar are being affected.

[Danvers]

I.e thou SHALL not LIE. I Will try my best.

[CurrentlyHorseless]

@PDDT

Please see this link for an explanation of the grammatical use of shall and will: https://dictionary.cambridge.org/grammar/british-grammar/future-will-and-shall

This is not to suggest that FritzE’s explanation is incorrect. There are many words that we commonly use that, when used in contracts and other legal documents, have a different meaning. Will and shall are very good examples of that.

I find it very sad when people infer that someone with a comprehensive vocabulary or good grasp of grammar are being affected.

Thank you!

Apparently, one can use either “will” or “shall” in conjunction with “I” or “we”, with “shall” being more formal.

On the other hand, one uses just “will” in conjunction with “they/he/she”.

Is that all? I thought there was something much more complicated than that. That also explains McArthur’s “I shall return”; he was simply being formal.

So KM is just using the formal version when she writes “Shall I,…”.

I think in American usage, “shall” is not just formal, but, well, archaic. I do not hear Americans of my generation saying, “Shall I, …,”, and I suspect KM is a good generation older than I.