Barisone assessment

How much leeway is there to pick your facility?

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it mostly depends on your insurance. For civil commitments, anyway. Or if the hospital you were admitted to because of the behaviors has an availble bed.

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I imagine feeling heard by someone could be helpful in the healing process, even if it’s not immediately helpful for their situation. I also imagine that it can be taxing on everyone, both staff and patients (and their families).

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I can imagine MB might have observed Taylor’s perceived bias in the trial and may be on guard during the hearing.

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He is a gun nut that runs an old pawn shop that has been around for ages, but it’s really now a gun shop as far as he’s concerned. He has a pawn broker license to sell firearms and a manufacturing license for firearms and ammunition.

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In the initial hearing, it’s supposed to be a State psychiatrist from the facility, per the Krol directives. In subsequent hearings (if any) the patient can also submit testimony and reports from their own psychiatrist, but unless I’m missing something, that doesn’t appear to be an option in that first hearing. (Caveat: there are some different exceptions carved out for acquittee’s who are refusing to cooperate, but I’m going with the assumption that wouldn’t apply with MB)

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It can really depend on the underlying diagnosis. Being heard can heldp them, but it can also fuel the destructive patterns, too. For some, anyattention is better than no attention, ad the rush of having all eyes on you can be pretty heady for some. And since they already don’t have a good sense of judgement, they associate bad actions with attention,rather than associating the commitment as punishment or humiliation as you’d expect.

However I have seen people who were absolutely not going to ever going to be “productive members of society” get released because they were mostly harmless, fairly stable, and had a good support system to rely on.

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He probably won’t have to say anything if he doesn’t want to. Again, I’m no in NJ, but I imagine Judge Taylor has a number of cases dealing with capacity issues, either compentcy to stand trial or NGRI, and he’s probably heard from most of the Drs that do this type of work, and has a sense of their professionalism. No reason for the Judge to second guess them.

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Man, there’s a whole lot there I clearly didn’t consider. I tip my cap to you because I feel like all of that would just overwhelm me. It’s hard to comprehend all the ways our wiring can go wrong (so to speak).

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Considerably older than that–my grandmother used to say it.
IIRC, the origins are Biblical.

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That is incorrect. LK’s injuries were belittled for years and even after the testimony of the thoracic surgeon. That is why I started and continue to list them.

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Suboxone of certain types and below certain amounts is allowed for competitors in Olympic sports. It’s on lists of both banned and allowed dugs along with the generic.

Edited to add this is outdated and just wrong. My apologies. Thank you @LexInVA

Weird. Same as LKs bar for bullying. Didn’t all this start bc MB bullied her?

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How did MB bully LK? I must have missed or forgotten something.

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Per LK’s own testimony, there were frequent criticisms and remarks made by others at the farm about her slovenly appearance, poor physical health, poor attendance, low effort, etc. that she felt was bullying.

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He didn’t. When asked on the stand why she wanted to destroy him she answered bc of all the bullying and harassing (paraphrasing)

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WADA, which has the final say on that, says otherwise. Suboxone has two main ingredients, Buprenorphine and Naloxone, and Buprenorphine is a narcotic banned by WADA. Therapeutic uses (drug addiction treatments) are not accepted. This was already covered in another thread.

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But when Mr B asked her specifically how MB bullied her, she talked about that one time he was mad, he yelled at her, and there was spit. That’s all she had.

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Yep. That was it. He must be destroyed bc he yelled at her and spit (talked) in her face

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I have been a part of a lot of pain management programs due to surgeries or injuries. I’m so thankful I’m not in one now because of the hoops I had to jump through just to get the medication recommended. I agree with others that it varies state by state but in my state, there is a huge opioid problem so many laws have cracked down on their dispense, etc. In my state (which is a state in the south), controlled drugs like narcotics are not allowed refills. One must see a doctor every 30 days to get a new prescription. There is a narcotics database every physician and pharmacist can see that lists all controlled substances prescribed to that patient to prevent doctor shopping and prescriptions from multiple doctors. The quantity and type of drug dispensed depends on the person’s insurance, but since there are no refills, narcotics get up to a 30 day supply. Primary care providers can’t rx more than 30 days worth of narcotics so patients have to visit pain management specialists. And you are subject to drug testing at the discretion of the provider. I had them routinely when I was in pain management. And there is a street market for any narcotic and just about any drug imaginable can be purchased off the street. A lot of people (for example) on disability with chronic pain issues sell their drugs because they can’t live off of $800 a month in disability and do so to stipend their income so it just perpetuates the street market. It’s pretty sad.

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