Barisone/Kanarek Legal Filings (Public Record)

[Sdel]

@Denali6298

Going back to LK’s counter claim in this civil suit, she denied a bunch of stuff that she admitted to here and on other SM platforms. Could those posts be used?

The real meat will be in the interrogatories. Those won’t be made public. They are the source for the actual claims/facts that will be argued in the case.

[eggbutt]

@Denali6298

Well thank god for screen shots and “QFP”

What she has posted here is PG-rated compared to her Facebook posts over the years along with quite a few text messages sent to various “enemies”. I’m sure she’ll appear in court all made up, in nice clothes, probably professional hair and make-up (like for her NYT photoshoot) but as a past presidential campaign taught us, you can put lipstick on a pig and it’s still a pig (Barack Obama). I doubt it will take long for jurors to see through the veneer of the true LK.

Like others, I am interested in why her attorneys decided to move on with the civil case prior to the criminal case. As I understand situations like this, that is unusual and a gamble.

[eggbutt]

@Denali6298

Good point. Fascinating that she too is asking for a jury trial with it.

I don’t think she has ever followed through with a law suit. Just the threat of a suit since daddy was an attorney seemed to be enough to get people to back down. Or as she or someone else pointed out on this thread, a nice letter to a victim by an attorney was enough for them to give her what she wanted.

[LilRanger]

@FitzE

So interesting. That is a great strategy.

I wonder, have any of her threatened lawsuits ever resulted in her having to be deposed or making an appearance in court? I imagine this level of…whatever it is we are witnessing…would be hard to keep a lid on. If this civil suit goes through it might be the first time her threats went all the way to actually preparing for trial. And that new experience might be quite an eye opener for both LK and her enablers/hangers on.

My advice to her attorney is to make sure his malpractice ins. Is paid up. If this goes pear-shaped, a bar b!tch will be the least of his problems.

And this will not open her eyes, losing is for losers. And she does not strike me as a loser. She is for sure a tiger-blood-drinking winner!

[Sdel]

@LilRanger

Sure, but that may not be the most useful way to use it. I think she’d get herself pretty tangled up in a deposition that used her SM. I would use interrogatories out the wazoo, and try to schedule more than two depositions, just because I don’t think she could keep her story straight in a three hour session, much less with time in between each event…

Depositions are stressful and you feel like you were run over with a truck when you are done. I don’t imagine she’d handle the stress of them very well. Also, for those who have never done one…a deposition would be recorded: audio and video, and a court reporter would be present. She would be on the record as if she was in a trial setting in a court room.

[skydy]

@YankeeDuchess

So,

@Denali6298

let’s see if

@Ghazzu is banned. Or receives a stinging [edit].

I missed this. Good god, really? Anne Elk?

You are going to report Ghazzu for outing Anne Elk?

This will be the second time that Monty Python has been “reported”. :lol:

[LilRanger]

@Sdel

Depositions are stressful and you feel like you were run over with a truck when you are done. I don’t imagine she’d handle the stress of them very well. Also, for those who have never done one…a deposition would be recorded: audio and video, and a court reporter would be present. She would be on the record as if she was in a trial setting in a court room.

This. And then the post mortem i should have done… which some folks try to correct at the trial

[FitzE]

@LilRanger

My advice to her attorney is to make sure his malpractice ins. Is paid up. If this goes pear-shaped, a bar b!tch will be the least of his problems.

Excellent point re: malpractice insurance. As I said way back in the single page numbers, she is the type of client no one I know or have ever worked with would ever in a million years take on as a client. In fact, a client like this tells a lot about the attorney who will take her on. No fee schedule would justify putting up with this circus.

[Ambitious_Kate]

@NotGrandPrixYet

I follow a lot of what you are saying, but then why is battered person syndrome MB’s response (in the counterclaim)? Wouldn’t he just day it was an accidental shooting?

Probably. You’re probably right. But he may not be able to say that yet if the criminal trial hasn’t gone down. I imagine it’s complex, but I still think anything might have happened.

[YankeeDuchess]

@x-halt-salute

I refuse to participate in one of YD’s dog and pony shows of pedantry and willful misunderstanding.

If I had more patience for her tiresome tit-for-tat I might point out that only a tiny fraction of rape and sexual assault cases reported to police end up in criminal court. And that only a small fraction of rape and sexual assault incidents get reported to police in the first place. So while women most certainly do get blamed for their own assaults during court proceedings, most sexual assault victims never get a day in court, often because of the blame assigned to them by people with power or authority outside of courts. I’m surprised that such a zealous victims’ advocate who is so gravely concerned about victim blaming wouldn’t already realize that. Moreover, it’s none of her ever loving business whether a traumatic event in my past resulted in a court appearance. And finally, if occurring in a criminal court is part of her criteria for victim blaming, then nothing on this BB will ever meet that criterion and her analogy falls apart in yet another way.

I might also point out, in response to her pantomimed confusion about my sign-off, that it’s similarly irrelevant whether I agree with the people who told me I was like a piece of gum that’s already been chewed or that sinful choices tend to create hardship on earth long before we are judged for them, or that a smart girl like me should know that men can’t help but see bare skin like pornography. Does YD want to know if I repented for the sins that invited evil into my life, as I was counseled to do? Too bad. I will give YD’s request for clarification all the consideration it deserves, which is exactly zero.

My statement about victim blaming in rape cases referred to victim blaming in explicit court cases. Perhaps you did not understand the context in which I made the statement when you responded to my post.

I do know that many rapes are not reported to the police and of those reported to the police, many don’t go to trial. In my own case, I reported it to the police within minutes, but it never went to trial because the rapist was never apprehended.

I fully understand that young women are and should be advised not to dress too sexy or drink extensively as preventative measures, even while they should be told that sexy dress or intoxication does NOT excuse rape.

I have already noted that you never bothered to explain what you meant by saying “As someone who reaped what she sowed”, and that I think I do now understand what you meant. And now that I think I understand, I have apologized. I will delete the post, or not, as you prefer.

I think that girls and women should be advised on what preventative measures they can take to avoid rape, such as not wearing overly sexy clothes, not being so intoxicated that they lose control of the situation, not being without their car keys if they want to leave, and not walking alone at night.

If the woman makes choices that make her more vulnerable to rape, that does NOT mean that the rape was her fault, or that she was sinful, or she deserved it. If the “people” who told you you were a “piece of chewed gum” were not part of the official court system, that’s not what I was talking about when you responded to my post. Perhaps you misunderstood what I was saying.

I think that the Me Too movement indicates that IN THE CONTEXT OF RAPE CASES THAT GO TO TRIAL, which is what I was talking about, the extent of victim blaming in rape cases is much different from 30 years ago.

[YankeeDuchess]

@Denali6298

Well thank god for screen shots and “QFP”

Well, I would have thought that there’s an important distinction between a Facebook post and a sworn statement, but that’s just me.

[skydy]

@YankeeDuchess

My statement about victim blaming in rape cases referred to victim blaming in explicit court cases. Perhaps you did not understand the context in which I made the statement when you responded to my post.

I do know that many rapes are not reported to the police and of those reported to the police, many don’t go to trial. In my own case, I reported it to the police within minutes, but it never went to trial because the rapist was never apprehended.

I fully understand that young women are and should be advised not to dress too sexy or drink extensively as preventative measures, even while they should be told that sexy dress or intoxication does NOT excuse rape.

I have already noted that you never bothered to explain what you meant by saying “As someone who reaped what she sowed”, and that I think I do now understand what you meant. And now that I think I understand, I have apologized. I will delete the post, or not, as you prefer.

I think that girls and women should be advised on what preventative measures they can take to avoid rape, such as not wearing overly sexy clothes, not being so intoxicated that they lose control of the situation, not being without their car keys if they want to leave, and not walking alone at night.

If the woman makes choices that make her more vulnerable to rape, that does NOT mean that the rape was her fault, or that she was sinful, or she deserved it. If the “people” who told you you were a “piece of chewed gum” were not part of the official court system, that’s not what I was talking about when you responded to my post. Perhaps you misunderstood what I was saying.

I think that the Me Too movement indicates that IN THE CONTEXT OF RAPE CASES THAT GO TO TRIAL, which is what I was talking about, the extent of victim blaming in rape cases is much different from 30 years ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpAvcGcEc0k

[LilRanger]

@FitzE

Excellent point re: malpractice insurance. As I said way back in the single page numbers, she is the type of client no one I know or have ever worked with would ever in a million years take on as a client. In fact, a client like this tells a lot about the attorney who will take her on. No fee schedule would justify putting up with this circus.

Hey man, even Saul gots bills to pay!

but in all seriousness, even the BSCs need representation, and more power to him for taking her on as a client. He might have a deft touch with folks like her and can mitigate the fallout if it goes wrong.
He’s a litigatorand probably had a thick skin where clients hurling insults are concerned. If you can keep them focused on the process and their goals you can do ok.

[LilRanger]

@skydy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpAvcGcEc0k

You’re killin ’ it, skydy! :lol:

[YankeeDuchess]

@skydy

I missed this. Good god, really? Anne Elk?

You are going to report Ghazzu for outing Anne Elk?

This will be the second time that Monty Python has been “reported”. :lol:

So sorry I didn’t get the joke.

[HoolieB]

@skydy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpAvcGcEc0k

Oh, that made my day! Thank you so much for linking that.

Putting on my speculative cap, I wonder if the shooting victim indeed plans to show up for the civil trial (glammed up as @eggbutt mentioned) absolutely confident that the jury will rapturously hang on her every word and find in her favor?

[FitzE]

@LilRanger

Hey man, even Saul gots bills to pay!

but in all seriousness, even the BSCs need representation, and more power to him for taking her on as a client. He might have a deft touch with folks like her and can mitigate the fallout if it goes wrong.
He’s a litigatorand probably had a thick skin where clients hurling insults are concerned. If you can keep them focused on the process and their goals you can do ok.

Hahahaha! You are right, even the BSC need a rep. He may indeed have a talent with this type of person. However, the prominence of his TV-worthy work on his website suggest he’s in this for the moolah and the media.

[cheval_convert]

@YankeeDuchess

You misunderstand the point about Ghazzu naming names, is that I don’t think naming a name gets you banned, as Denali claimed.

Is this Elk person some important “cultural” reference I’m clueless about? I assumed the Elk person was a real person.
I also admit to not following the referees to the Tiger person (although I’m guessing that’s a TV show.)

I am happy to apologize if someone explains the dimension on which I misunderstood. I’m not inclined to apologize just on the basis of the whole group expressing disgust.

Despite her saying “As someone who reaped what she sowed”, I now assume (not that anyone has bothered to explain it), that she meant “In my court case, there were overt things said to the effect that the rape was at least partly due to things I did”, I.e. that she was a victim of rape and also was victim blamed.

If that is what she was saying, I apologize.

Please quote x-halt-salute correctly, she said “someone who apparenty what she sowed”. That word makes a big difference in meaning.

[skydy]

@YankeeDuchess

So sorry I didn’t get the joke.

You’ll have to unmute the clip when you get to the link. https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2oh8ia

[IdahoRider]

@Sdel

Renovations. Barn and home.

I still think there was no contract for the renovations. I think there was an “in kind” agreement. Whatever his name is, the boyfriend, would do the renovations and LK would get vastly discounted or free training. The renovations were crap, MB says he wants to void the in kind agreement and LK says, “Sure, after you pay us $50,000”. Maybe that is what they decided the boyfriends work was worth.

So MB tells them to either sign the standard training contract and start paying, or leave. And so it started. Then Colonel Mustard showed up in the library with the candle stick.
Sheilah