It’s actually pretty tame and not crazy for a trial of a violent crime. This is pretty boring compared to most.
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Due to LK’s testimony, the L&C polling has swerved - heavily - towards “Not Guilty”, as of right now.
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Still waiting. We are bombshell-less.
Again.
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Wasn’t Rob on the phone? Why does she have his phone with the lawyer on it?
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It depends totally on the individual. Some need suboxone for an indefinite time, and some use it to wean off. Substance use disorder is a complicated medical problem, and it is not quick for a professional to work out the best course of treatment for a patient.
People are very unlikely to use illicit opiods while taking suboxone, but there is no deterrent effect on other drugs
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The cop has testified neither of them went into the house right?
I will say, it is very hard to remember what happened in the moment of a traumatic event. Personally, I have a very hard time remembering exact details and the order they happened.
I’m not saying whether LK testimony is being truthful or not, but just a general comment on what happens to your memory in these things.
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Yes but what they are talking about right now is before the officer arrived.
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Yes, but now they are talking about between the shooting and the arrival of the police.
ETA: Jinx, @RND!
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ok thank you I missed that
I totally believe this. But at this point she needs to just pick a lane and stick to it.
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I’m so confused.
I hope the Jury understands what’s happening with who was where with the shooting and the lawyer on the phone and the phones.
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That could be due to her auto accident that happened before college or heavy drug use. Meth often leads to dental problems and prosthetics.
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Highlights of continued cross of LK ctd on Day 4, 10:05 - ~10:30:
Before shooting LK told prosecutors MB drove down the driveway “like a crazy person.” LK testifies that’s how he always drives.
Brief break for technical issue. I missed a few min when they came back.
Rehashing lead-up to shooting. MB calm, “sorrowful.” Trying to pin down when RG walked back into house. She says after police arrived and separated RG and MB, he opened door to put dog in house. “That’s when he was in the house.”
Questions about 9/5/19 LK statement to prosecutor:
“I walked out thinking I’m like Miss Bad-Ass or something.” After some back-and-forth LK says she means she had courage to approach MB.
Asked about her testimony yesterday about running around in a circle after the shooting: “I don’t remember what I recall from yesterday.” LK says this was both a physical circle and many circles in her mind. Statement to prosecutor: “This is the point it gets a little shady because I don’t know where the hell I went.” She says this was mental.
Told pros she went inside to call to RG because she “didn’t want him to come outside” and yelled to him, “Don’t come out!”; context suggests this was after the shooting according to her statement. She says it was before the shooting but then says she doesn’t recall and blames injuries and meds. When asked if seeing the statement refreshes her recollection she says the statement “refreshes words that I was saying, yes.”
Did you see RG choking MB? Had him in “headlock” to keep him from getting gun. Statement says “in like a chokehold.”
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I think it’s very problematic that it rained heavily almost immediately after the shooting. Crime scene evidence would have been compromised - but I’ve got to imagine that if she even went up on the porch, let alone in the house the police would have found blood everywhere.
I do think Bilinkas trying to impeach her about what she gave in her statement immediately after being shot is not going to get him very far other than to demonstrate she likes to make up stories. Maybe that is his goal. Post shooting memory is not going to be particularly accurate I would think.
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This is one of the things really bothering me about the current questioning. Memory is very unreliable, even/especially during traumatic events. A person in LK’s shoes may replay events many times afterwards with details changing in their mind each time. Blanks/holes can get filled in in strange ways. We’ve been conditioned to think that during extreme events, our brain remembers every detail, but it just doesn’t work that way.
I know the defense is doing a job, but this kind of stuff is bothersome. (Searching for the right words and failing)
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There are also some adult children who unfortunately cannot be given large sums of money, because despite all parenting efforts, the adult child has a severe problem. We had an adult child (age 26) who struggled from addiction and mental health issues. We did not have a conservatorship or guardianship because, quite frankly, they are not that easy to obtain, especially if the adult child presents well in court and if you have a parent who is co-dependent and keeps cleaning up the mess and covering the mistakes. Our child unfortunately didn’t make it - we lost her last month to what we believe was her addiction - we still don’t know because bio-mom is covering that up, too, so we have to wait for the ME to let us know what actually happened. It really sucks. The amount of enablement that went on never helped our kid. She and her mother played a dangerous game of manipulation with each other and it ended in the worst of ways. Mental health is horrible. Comorbidity with addiction is a pain I wish on no person or their family.
We paid directly for basic things, like medical expenses. She had a job and paid her own rent (she refused to live in group homes). We did not give her cash because we didn’t not want to fund her future and inevitable overdose. We chose where our money went. Our child had a rather large trust as well - not a dynasty trust but significant enough that it had a trustee who would have managed the funds similar to how we manage them (and not by giving it to her to manage).
My heart goes out to everyone on this case. It’s clear that there are significant mental health issues among the various people involved, as well as some co-dependent behavior. Regardless of outcome, I hope several of these folks get the help they need. It’s devastating to watch.
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But compare what she has repeatedly said here very affirmatively here. Lots of inconsistencies!
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Very sorry about your child.
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@atl_hunter That is horrible, I’m so sorry for your loss and all the years of anguish you must have had!
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I’m very sorry for your loss.
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