Barisone Trial Starting Monday, 3/28

[Knights_Mom]

@SpicyPRE

Yesterday, a couple of posters provided an overview of the trial, is anyone available to do the same today? It was super helpful and appreciated!

I did yesterday and still have some notes but the thought of doing it for 20 business day made me say NOPE

[MHM]

@Knights_Mom

It is quite common for drugs, knives and yes even guns to be found during a bush check and I have personally witnessed the brouhaha of a gun being found.

Wow. That’s pretty crazy.

I do remember going through security the one time I got called for jury duty, and it seemed pesky but understandable.

[Knights_Mom]

@Dragonfly90

Her harassment is not right…neither is his. Nor the way she has been harassed here.
But you excuse his. I got it.
Believe me no one has forgotten she harassed you.

Did I say I excused his? I have not.

I point out IRONY.

I’m glad you haven’t forgotten.

[eggbutt]

@Einhorn

@eggbutt

700+ pages sent to SS to add to the files of others who have reported LK and still nothing has been done. What a disgrace.

There’s no law against being a jerk. And it sounds like she’s been somewhat protected from legal recourse by her parents financial, professional, and social positions.

There may not be “laws” but there are codes of conduct in effect.

Personally I believe the ugly belly of the Kanarek history will be on full display, if not in the trial due to Taylor’s decisions, but elsewhere.

[AnastasiaBeaverhousen]

So have you.
You’ve it made it clear what you think the verdict should be from the beginning on nothing more than the unsworn statements from the victim posted on social media.

[Ambitious_Kate]

@Jealoushe

When you’re riding? I’ve heard of it if a horse might kill you but riding?

That’s the favorite time for a horse to try to kill you. I don’t condone beating horses, but there have been one or two in my lifetime who needed a come to jesus moment, and usually for me it was a verbal/jump off and scare the living daylights out of them verbally making them move their feet back a hundred paces kind of thing or do the same staying on their back, depending. It only takes once. But then, I usually ride some pretty big, opinionated horses, so. Some people never ride those kinds of horses.

[RND]

@Ambitious_Kate

I don’t know a single trainer or barn owner who hasn’t made it miserable for someone who won’t leave whom they want out. How else will you do it, other than pay money to get the out?
It happens many times a year, no one has that kind of money to spend on litigation to evict a horse and owner. You figure out a way to get them to leave.

In my experience, when a trainer wants a client to leave, they tell them that they don’t think their barn is a good fit and that they need to find a new situation for their horse. And the people find a new situation and leave. I guess I’m lucky that I surround myself with mostly reasonable people.

I can’t believe that there are adults who think being passive aggressive and making life miserable for clients is the only option for getting them to move on.

Obviously MB and LK are not the kind of people I described above, but I have never in my life known a person like either one of them.

[Jealoushe]

@AnastasiaBeaverhousen

So have you.
You’ve it made it clear what you think the verdict should be from the beginning on nothing more than the unsworn statements from the victim posted on social media.

Not at all. Just because I support the victim doesn’t mean I think I know all the details. I don’t know any of the facts and I have routinely since day 1 said I want to discuss facts and evidence. You can look back if you don’t believe me.

Please don’t paint me as something I am not. Thanks

[Knights_Mom]

Yup. I ride my horse alone.

Nothing good comes of riding other people’s horses unless they pay you a lot to do it.

[Joanne]

@Jealoushe

When you’re riding? I’ve heard of it if a horse might kill you but riding?

I’ve seen it while riding. Horse insisted on leaving an arena through an open gate. Instructor got on and after several passes, still going out the gate, having a few "come to Jesus moments, the horse decided it wasn’t a good idea to leave. Someone inexperienced might think “she is beating that horse’s ass.”

[MHM]

@eggbutt

@3PonyFarm

Do you know if he has a support group of friends who can be there throughout the trial? I imagine the victim could use that too when she testifies.

Yes, he has several people there. No comment on who would be there for LK.

Are his supporters actually in the court room? I know there was a discussion about the limited space available at the hearing a couple weeks ago.

[Jealoushe]

@Ambitious_Kate

That’s the favorite time for a horse to try to kill you. I don’t condone beating horses, but there have been one or two in my lifetime who needed a come to jesus moment, and usually for me it was a verbal/jump off and scare the living daylights out of them verbally making them move their feet back a hundred paces kind of thing or do the same staying on their back, depending. It only takes once. But then, I usually ride some pretty big, opinionated horses, so. Some people never ride those kinds of horses.

He was referring to it as a training method, not a one off moment. But either way horses act that way because they are pushed into a situation they can’t regulate most of the time.

Anyways it doesn’t matter. Just say you are fine with it and move on.

[eggbutt]

@Knights_Mom

@Dragonfly90

Her harassment is not right…neither is his. Nor the way she has been harassed here.
But you excuse his. I got it.
Believe me no one has forgotten she harassed you.

Did I say I excused his? I have not.

I point out IRONY.

I’m glad you haven’t forgotten.

Simple question - how many people on this forum have been harassed by LK, even though they are total strangers? Nevermind what she posts when she thinks she knows someone and can get away with it.

[Jealoushe]

@Joanne

I’ve seen it while riding. Horse insisted on leaving an arena through an open gate. Instructor got on and after several passes, still going out the gate, and then having a few "come to Jesus moments, the horse decided it wasn’t a good idea to leave.

and that person is also a crap trainer

[Einhorn]

@eggbutt

Personally I believe the ugly belly of the Kanarek history will be on full display, if not in the trial due to Taylor’s decisions, but elsewhere.

I totally agree about codes of behavior. As to revealing the underbelly of the kanareks, I’ll be curious to know whether any of this really impacts them. My experience is the truth never seems to catch up this type of person, they just seem to have some weird inertia that protects them. But maybe this time will be different!

[Knights_Mom]

@RND

@Ambitious_Kate

I don’t know a single trainer or barn owner who hasn’t made it miserable for someone who won’t leave whom they want out. How else will you do it, other than pay money to get the out?
It happens many times a year, no one has that kind of money to spend on litigation to evict a horse and owner. You figure out a way to get them to leave.

In my experience, when a trainer wants a client to leave, they tell them that they don’t think their barn is a good fit and that they need to find a new situation for their horse. And the people find a new situation and leave. I guess I’m lucky that I surround myself with mostly reasonable people.

I can’t believe that there are adults who think being passive aggressive and making life miserable for clients is the only option for getting them to move on.

Obviously MB and LK are not the kind of people I described above, but I have never in my life known a person like either one of them.

For most clients this would work.

But then there are others that end up in a court case being discussed on COTH.

[3PonyFarm]

I hope there are some that are visible to him (if he turned around)

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[eggbutt]

@Jealoushe

@Ambitious_Kate

That’s the favorite time for a horse to try to kill you. I don’t condone beating horses, but there have been one or two in my lifetime who needed a come to jesus moment, and usually for me it was a verbal/jump off and scare the living daylights out of them verbally making them move their feet back a hundred paces kind of thing or do the same staying on their back, depending. It only takes once. But then, I usually ride some pretty big, opinionated horses, so. Some people never ride those kinds of horses.

He was referring to it as a training method, not a one off moment. But either way horses act that way because they are pushed into a situation they can’t regulate most of the time.

Anyways it doesn’t matter. Just say you are fine with it and move on.

Is he being tried for animal abuse? I must have missed that. Sad that was the only text the prosecution found that they considered salacious enough to sway a jury.

[Joanne]

@Jealoushe

and that person is also a crap trainer

She wasn’t. You weren’t there.

Sometimes horses take advantage of the rider. Who says upper level horses are easy to ride? I know The Maestro says so.

Sometimes riders should have “a come to Jesus moment” too.

[Ambitious_Kate]

@Jealoushe

Thats what people who have personality disorders or mental illness issues due.

No, that’s what barn owners who have to keep a certain type of clientel in order to keep their business afloat do (due). Boarder who’s horse destroys fencing repeatedly? Gotta go. Boarder who steals/borrows/loses other boarders’ brushes? Gone. Boarder who has a thoroughbred who eats three times what the rest of the barn of quarter horses eats isn’t part of the manager’s business model, sorry, you don’t fit in here. How do they get rid of them? They turn the horse out, or don’t turn them out, they leave blankets on, or don’t blanket them, they let the owner turn up finding their horse without water, without hay, without a shoe for a week without informing the owner. Lots of ways to make them leave. Social ostrising, longeing a horse during her lesson, giving a lesson at the only time she can come to the barn to ride, it goes on and on. Barn owners do it all the time, and if you haven’t seen it done, you aren’t a boarder and don’t have experience in high end or even middle end barns. Pretending you don’t get that is disingenuous.