Barn cats being harassed by big tom or bobcat

First post here–hope it is in the right area and sorry if it’s kinda long.

I moved a few months ago from an oceanside location in Baja (Mexico) to a tiny ranchito out in the country. It became clear right away that the house, which had been unoccupied for a while due to storm damage, had a problem with outside roof rats. Since my landlady had previously had cats to manage the rodents, I adopted a spayed mother and daughter pair when their owner died. They were used to living outside, so they took to my semi-open stall out back (presently unoccupied) right away and were immediately great mousers at night, returning to a floor-to-ceiling cabinet in the stall every night (safe place from coyotes and shelter from weather).

A few nights ago, I started hearing the sound of cats fighting and what sounded like a large animal on the roof. While my biggest cat concern had been for coyotes in the area, I suddenly became alarmed at the possibility of a bobcat on my property (there have been three filmed just a few miles from here, not a surprise in our scrubby desert terrain). Last night, like clockwork, the caterwauling started up again, but there was clearly something giving chase to my girls across my attached deck and around the stall. I grabbed a flashlight and a can of pepper spray and ran out in time to see a large cat (tom or bobcat?) fleeing the edge of my property, outside the fence (keeps dogs contained by cats can jump it). This morning the younger cat was not in the stall, nor was she visible anywhere on the property. I’m not sure if she is hiding, scared, dead, wounded, or some combination of those. It’s possible she was flushed by the intruding cat into a pack of coyotes or up onto the road or ate a rodent poisoned by a neighbor. The only owls I’ve seen are relatively small barn owls.

My instinct is to start bringing the mama cat inside for a while at night for her sake (she will come inside if I invite her), but then I lose my mouser outdoors and have to introduce her to my four crazy dogs, who are going insane already from the cat fighting noise at night. Also, if the daughter comes back, I don’t want her to think her mama abandoned her and leave again. The dogs can’t be left outside at night because a) one is a jumper/bolter, b) one is too small, c) one is too elderly, and d) one will harass the cats–and they are trained to sleep indoors anyway. We also have a mountain lion in the neighborhood, for which even my Rottie would be no match. I don’t think that’s what’s bothering my barn cats, but let’s not tempt fate.

Thoughts? Bring mama cat in and hope daughter returns? Leave mama out and let her sort it out? Sit outside for a few nights and deter the other cat (not crazy about this if it’s a bobcat)? Write off having cats entirely or keep adopting them knowing they’re at risk? Get two big males or whopper females if my other female disappears? (I was always under the impression females made better mousers.) The daughter cat was quite aloof, but the mama is very sweet and friendly, and I feel bad leaving her to defend herself. Yet, she clearly loves hunting at night. I have no idea how she would do with another, bigger cat in the yard in the hopes it would eventually keep her company and protect the territory better. Enclosing the stall and locking her in there defeats the purpose of keeping her outdoors–it’s not like she’s protecting my feed in a big barn.

ETA: anyone tried a microchip keyed cat door/flap? It would keep a bobcat/stray out of the stall at least (I could enclose it permanently or with chicken wire), assuming she/they could get there.

I’m peeved because if this tom/stray/bobcat had been around before and doing its job, I wouldn’t have rats in the first place and wouldn’t have needed barn cats! I’m literally dizzy from lack of sleep the last half week.

Thanks for your input!

We have a resident bobcat and those there is no cat that can stand up to them.
Every time we had a domestic cat show up, it was laying there dying or dead next morning, courtesy of bobcat.
Bobcats are extremely territorial.

I would say you may have other up there.
A cat would not have a chance against a bobcat, or at least a mature one.

Thank, Bluey, that’s my fear too. It’s weird that I’ve never seen a bobcat on my property until I got cats, so I figured their territory was across the way. I assume the new cats attracted them? I know it’s a mother bobcat and two kittens–it’s probably the kittens that are fighting my cats, which is why one is still alive.

I’m going to bring the remaining cat in at night, as much as she won’t like it. I can put her in a spare bathroom for the night until I figure out what to do. I just talked to my landlady, and she says a friend of hers up here has had three cats go missing, presumably to the bobcats (the coyotes are scarce in her neighborhood). I doubt the daughter cat is coming back. :frowning: I guess I will probably hear more noise if she reappears.

I don’t want to have to get a yard dog to protect the cats–introducing the existing cat to my household is easier than another dog. But dang, I did not want another indoor pet… And the rats will be back. They’re not a problem in the house, but they leave their droppings everywhere outside and occasionally get in between the roof and the ceiling. I would like to have a horse in the stall, and I don’t want them in the hay and feed.

Going to talk to contractor about adding motion sensor lights. Anyone know if that will help?

Nothing to offer on the cats, but what a spectacular setting.

Motion sensor lights are supposed to help with coyotes, but I don’t know about bobcats.

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That is so weird. I had a couple of barn cats and about 4 years ago I started seeing a bobcat around. Their were fewer rabbits and I stopped hearing the quail. The cats were fine. This year the coyotes are all around and my cats went missing weeks ago.

It has been a terrible several months. In April I lost a horse I had had for 25 years. My mom died in June and the cats disappeared in July. I am quite sure the coyotes go them.

I did inherit my mom’s house cat so I am not without a cat! He does not go outside!

Whether bobcat or feral cat probably doesn’t really matter. The only time one of my cats has needed veterinary attention was from a fight with another cat, resulting in a big, infected abscess on her back.

You can set up a game cam to see what you have, but the solution for either is probably bring the cat(s) in at night. As for rats, I hate to do it but I did resort to poison in my case, where the previous owner had let the rat population get out of control with spilled horse feed everywhere, all the time. One “dose” of rat poison has kept us pretty much pest free for years. It might be worth the effort once.

LookmaNoHands: I am so sorry for all your loss. I know what that’s like to have it all hit the fan in such a short period of time, and it feels unbearable. :frowning: I’m glad you have a cat now to keep you company. Thanks for your input.

I did bring the remaining cat in last night (still no sign of her offspring, and I’m not too hopeful, given that she’s not a big robust gal that might survive a while in the wild). She spent the night in the spare bathroom, since she hasn’t been introduced to the dogs. She didn’t love it but settled down quietly for the night.

I brought her back out to what she thinks of as her home in the stall this morning. About 30 minutes ago, she left the stall for the yard, thinking it empty, and one of my dogs went after her. The cat is fine (she made it all the way to the roof and back down), but the poor gal doesn’t need any more trauma. I’ve been on the fence about this dog’s prey drive for a while–she’s killed a few birds with lightning speed, as well as rodents and lizards. I have no doubt she would have killed the cat had she gotten her. I’m in rattlesnake territory, and I don’t need her going after one of those either.

The dog wasn’t chosen by me but left on my stoop by weekend renters who brought her to the house next door and abandoned her at six week when they left. She’s about three and has never been right in the head–extremely high strung and barks at everything under the sun. She’s fine with other dogs and kids, but I can’t have her killing small animals; the rats are fine, but obviously she can’t discriminate.

So, now I have that to contend with too. I can’t confine the cat to the bathroom all day, and she can clearly get out of the stall. I thought she might beat up on the dogs if they chased her, since she’s only been kept outside and the person I got her from said she would be feisty, but I think she was too terrified (or knew this dog would be too quick). Or maybe she’s just exhausted from all the bobcat drama.

Contained outdoor play is the only thing that keeps Coco the crazy dog tired, so I can’t live with her if she’s only outside on a leash. She’s a pit mix, so I don’t have a lot of hope for training her prey drive out of her with a muzzle, shock collar, etc., even if I had the time. Containing the cat every time the dogs go out isn’t a realistic option. For the time being, I’ll have to watch Coco every time she goes out. I don’t worry so much about the other dogs (Rottie too old and slow, other pit mix likes cats, terrier/Chihuahua mix afraid of cats fortunately). I was trying for a time to rehome Coco, but now I feel she’s too much of a liability. I can rehome the cat, poor thing, but it’s probably only a matter of time before Coco kills something else, possibly escalating to a species she hasn’t been aggressive with before, or incites my otherwise well behaved dogs to join her. If she kills another person’s animal, I could be in a lot of trouble legally in a foreign country. Has anyone here ever euthanized a dog for uncontrollable predatory behavior?

S1969: My initial thought was to use poison, but then several of my dogs started catching baby rats occasionally in the yard. Also, I have a lot of owls in the area–they do catch rodents, but not all of them. I was concerned too about the odor, since the rats occasionally get in between the roof and the ceiling. I can’t get poison here that doesn’t cause secondary poison, and I’m not sure they’ll let it through the mail, necessitating a trip to the States. I’ve had success with traps, but it’s very labor intensive and not a pleasant way to end every day (or to wake up and find a rat caught by the leg or the tail).

Sigh… Is it wine time yet???