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[lenapesadie]

@Impractical_Horsewoman

I’ve been in the apartments of people who smoked and not only is the reek awful, even if no one is actively smoking, but it’s amazing how smokers don’t smell it on themselves or in their own rooms.

It also stains paint.

[FjordBCRF]

I don’t know from personal experience but my dad is a dentist and has had lots of tooth accidents from trampolines. Often accompanied by broken bones.

[lenapesadie]

I hadn’t thought of that. My adult experience with trampolines is limited to them getting blown to bits in hurricanes.

[FjordBCRF]

As a kid I was never allowed to go on them hahaha. He’s never liked me riding horses for the same reasons either but I managed to win that battle at a young age

[eightpondfarm]

@findeight

But its not a side hustle, nefarious, illegal or unethical

fwiw…"side hustle"isn’t derogatory.

[Ghazzu]

@sascha

Did they weigh and document all your furniture in case something was too heavy for their liking and might damage the floors if a very heavy unweighed houseguest sat on it or you loaded it with too many books? How about smoking, alcohol, and drugs? Did they require regular urine tests and/or breathalyzers?

I’m playng devil’s advocate here mostly because my mouth is dropped - we got rid of this type of garbage quite some time ago up here. It shocks me that there are places that will still put up with it and even think it’s absolutely acceptable.

If you had ever seen the absolute disaster that irresponsible tenants with pets leave behind, you might understand.
Damage to the floors from heavy bookcases does not constitute a health hazard the way that accumulated animal waste does.

One dog in a multi-family dwelling that barks nonstop all day and half the night is not something the rest of one’s tenants want to put up with. Nor should they have to.

I will say that when the SO and I rented out our place in the city for a couple years while I was in vet school, we deliberately posted the rental in the student office at the vet school and said pets were allowed.
But we knew the population of applicants we’d be dealing with were responsible pet owners.

[CHT]

@sascha although I don’t think a landlord can deny pets in Ontario, a BUILDING can. So some condo units are NO PETS as part of their building rules, which a landlord would have to enforce.

Alberta is definitely different, but…our rental market is also more affordable than Ontario, so maybe that is why? I like that tenants have to apply before moving someone else in, but I wish pet ownership was better respected/protected.

[sascha]

@Ghazzu

If you had ever seen the absolute disaster that irresponsible tenants with pets leave behind, you might understand.

I understand. I also understand that pets are not at fault. It’s the humans who are at fault.

@CHT only condos. Not random apartment buildings, apartment homes, or any other residential rental buildings. Only condos are allowed to have a no pets clause that is legal and enforceable.

[Ghazzu]

@sascha

I understand. I also understand that pets are not at fault. It’s the humans who are at fault.

So how else do you propose that landlords deal with the situation?
I have, when I was renting, paid an extra security deposit in order to have a pet, and I don’t find that to be at all unfair.
We lucked out amazingly over the two and a half years we were landlords at one place, and tenants at another.
I’d never willingly be a landlord simply because of the horror stories about tenants who turn a place into condemned building before they can be evicted–some I’ve read, others I’ve heard from friends who had to deal with renters from hell.

[sascha]

@Ghazzu

So how else do you propose that landlords deal with the situation?
I have, when I was renting, paid an extra security deposit in order to have a pet, and I don’t find that to be at all unfair.

I don’t. I am merely pointing out that the type of people who allow a pet to destroy a rental are also likely the type of people who could destroy a rental without a pet. Being a landlord is a crapshoot.

That’s great that you didn’t feel it unfair to have to pay a pet deposit. In my province that’s illegal. Straight up illegal. A landlord cannot hang onto any of your money (interest free, no less) for anything other than last month’s rent. It makes the whole rental situation fairer for all. With rental prices the way they are, it can be difficult enough to come up with 1st and last let alone extraneous “deposits” for this and that which landlords almost always find reason for not returning when a renter moves out.

[trubandloki]

@sascha

It makes the whole rental situation fairer for all.

It is only making the rental situation “fair” for the people who give no regards to the rental they are living in and do nothing to return it to the landlord in a good condition. People who treat their rental as if it was their own and make sure the unit is returned in a good shape are paying more every month because of this rule.

[sascha]

And the point goes sailing over heads again. This is about income, not about slovenly people.

FFS, rockstar’s ruin hotel rooms. Rich people can be hoarders. The laws are meant to assist those on average and low incomes from being priced out of the housing market completely. Not sure why this is so hard to understand. And definitely not sure why anyone thinks a deposit (unless in the 10s of thousands) would actually pay for damage incurred from a bad renter.

@trubandloki

People who treat their rental as if it was their own and make sure the unit is returned in a good shape are paying more every month because of this rule.

You’re going to need to explain this one, because it’s not like landlords can just Jack up the prices to whatever they want on a whim. Prices for existing units are controlled. New units are expensive, but they always have been what the top end of the market will bear.

[trubandloki]

@sascha

@trubandloki

People who treat their rental as if it was their own and make sure the unit is returned in a good shape are paying more every month because of this rule.

You’re going to need to explain this one, because it’s not like landlords can just Jack up the prices to whatever they want on a whim. Prices for existing units are controlled. New units are expensive, but they always have been what the top end of the market will bear.

The landlord has to pay their bills.
If they can not plan to get paid for you (general) ruining the place from a security deposit, if you ruin the place, then they are simply going to charge more every month to make sure in the end they can pay to fix the mess that is left behind by you or that dog that peed everywhere.
That means everyone is paying more, because of the risk that a bad tenant might come along instead of that bad tenant simply losing their deposit.

I never said rich people do not make a mess. It has nothing to do with income levels.

Edit to fix bad typing.

[endlessclimb]

If laws do absolutely nothing to protect landlords, please don’t kvetch and moan that the rental market is in shambles. The landlords are just somewhere else, where their assets are at least marginally protected. The laws, or absence of them, caused it. Why would anyone be a landlord there, when tenants can do whatever they want with property they don’t own?

Self inflicted wound, here.

[FjordBCRF]

While a lot of things in Canada have sounded better to me than what we see in the US, this is not one of them. If you as a landlord have little protection, that would be a big heck no. SO has a rental property and thankfully has had a good tenant renting it, but even that is a huge crap shoot. The things that are illegal in Ontario are things that protect the landlords and their assets here. At the end of the day, it is an individuals property and if they can’t protect it by saying no pets and not having 15 people live in it, that sounds awful. There are laws here that do protect renters to a decent degree from my understanding, but I totally get the pet thing being up to the landlord.

[trubandloki]

Google says there are some rules in Ontario, it is not a total free for all, no matter what the poster here says.
There is a person limit of two per bedroom plus one. So a two bedroom apartment can not have more than five people in it.
Per Google a landlord can refuse to rent to you if you have pets, but if you get a pet after you move in there is nothing they can do about it. (So very weird.)

I agree with you @FjordBCRF. These lack of any control for a landlord makes people simply not want to be a landlord, which makes it harder for tenants to find a place and what they find will be much more expensive.

[sascha]

@trubandloki

hen they are simply going to charge more every month to make sure in the end they can pay to fix the mess that is left behind by you or that dog that peed everywhere.

Where I live that is not legal. Rent increases are not arbitrary. That said, there are semi-legal ways around this if someone buys an existing rental property. If they can persuade the existing tenants to leave and gut and re-do the place, they can jack the price of the units. This is currently happening in a neighbouring property to mine. One tenant dug in his heels and refused the lump sum to leave while renovations were being done. His rent cannot be raised beyond the small (yearly?) increases allowed by law. The remaining units will be put on the market for almost triple that monthly rate once renos are complete as they are considered new rentals. Once rented, the entire building will probably be sold again to someone looking to get into the rental market (since the majority of units will be renting at a great rate) or someone who just wants the investment in the property.

@endlessclimb

If laws do absolutely nothing to protect landlords, please don’t kvetch and moan that the rental market is in shambles.

No kvetching and moaning here. Apart from the increasing population (migrating from even more expensive areas), the market is not any more a shambles than it ever has been. There are wait lists for cheaper existing rentals and newer rentals are very expensive because the market will bear the price of them.

@endlessclimb

Why would anyone be a landlord there, when tenants can do whatever they want with property they don’t own?

Because rental properties are an excellent investment and mostly tenants don’t do whatever they want with property they don’t own. I mean y’all make it out to be that all renters are horrible people and the only thing that prevents them from wrecking their abodes is fear of not getting their damage deposit returned at the end of their tenancy.

[sascha]

@trubandloki

Google says there are some rules in Ontario, it is not a total free for all, no matter what the poster here says.
There is a person limit of two per bedroom plus one. So a two bedroom apartment can not have more than five people in it.
Per Google a landlord can refuse to rent to you if you have pets, but if you get a pet after you move in there is nothing they can do about it. (So very weird.)

Of course there are some rules!

Google is absolutely wrong about the pet thing though. Try some actual law business sites for clarification on that. Landlords can feed you a line of BS about no pets allowed, but it is not legal for them to do that (except in some condo communities.) Absolutely 100% that if you lie/get a pet after agreeing to a landlord’s ILLEGAL rule about no pets that there is nothing they can do about you getting/having a pet unless there is an allergy issue affecting other tenants, noise violations, etc. Then you can get yourself evicted.

[sascha]

@FjordBCRF

The things that are illegal in Ontario are things that protect the landlords and their assets here.

Thankfully, here we’re more interested in protecting people than assets If protecting assets with rules that make renting even harder for those that need/want to rent instead of buying was such a deal breaker for rental property owners, there wouldn’t be such a hot market for rental properties. The building near me was on and off the market in a matter of days. I think the sign on the lawn lasted about 12 hours. That is the norm right now.

[sascha]

@trubandloki

These lack of any control for a landlord makes people simply not want to be a landlord makes people simply not want to be a landlord, which makes it harder for tenants to find a place and what they find will be much more expensive.

The shortage of rentals is not due to people not wanting to be landlords. Our housing crisis is bigger than rentals. We cannot build fast enough to house people. Prices are insane for both new builds and re-sales. This used to be a less expensive area. The joke is now that you might find a shack on a postage stamp for $500K. Still not as bad as Toronto, but we’re not that far behind, sadly.