Barn dogs- to doodle or poodle?

[Bluey]

@S1969

Just to be clear, though - we can still be horse snobs, even if it is possible that the occasional grade horse can be successful?

Not really being snobbish that, but a realist.

i have yet to see a mini place in the Kentuky Derby?

[anon40672407]

@Djones

The dog snobbery is tiring.

Unless I’m seriously mistaken, I believe the OP asked some questions and expected some opinions to be offered?

[S1969]

@Bluey

Not really being snobbish that, but a realist.

i have yet to see a mini place in the Kentuky Derby?

I’m going to breed mini TBs so we can race them on a smaller track. Like at my high school.

[vxf111]

@S1969

I’m going to breed mini TBs so we can race them on a smaller track. Like at my high school.

Call them horsey doodles so you can jack up the price on account of them being “hypoallergenic”

[SnortyPants]

@xeroxchick

All the dogs at the animal control in my area are pit bulls. I won’t have one, so adopting is a problem there. And I don’t want a gray hound either. Would love to save a life, but those lives don’t fit in. they just don’t. Not trying to be cold, but real.

Nonsense. You have the entire metro Atlanta area to look at: https://www.petfinder.com/search/dogs-for-adoption/us/ga/atlanta/?age[0]=Baby&distance=100

[SnortyPants]

@CiegoStar

I’ve thought about this a lot actually. I think the difference is what we expect from the animals and in the cost of keeping them. At least for those of us who compete, a true rescue horse (not merely off the track which is not usually a rescue situation) is extremely unlikely to be suitable for our riding goals, and will cost too much to keep just to rescue, unless you have a farm where you can collect them.

Dogs for the most part are just companions. If you just want a companion horse, then a rescue should suit just fine.

Exactly, I mentioned early on that the vast majority of dog owners are not sporting with their dogs, but most of us DO want to ride a specific discipline. I think horse breed snobbery is also rampant but st the root is at least some practicality. I think warmblood overrepresentation in dressage has changed some traditional facets of the sport in trading advanced collection in exchange for fancy front legs, and as a result PRE and lippizaners are no longer widely represented.

But hardly anyone is out there grouse hunting with a centuries old bloodline hound. If all a dog has to do is be a good dog and not bite or chase things then any breed or mutt will do with proper training.

[Brookes]

You know sometimes there is a really good reason why dogs end up in the pound. Behavioral issues, lack of training, etc. Going to the pound and finding a dog is a wonderful place at times to get a nice family pet. However…

Yes I admit it…I’m a hardcore dog breed snob. I want to show my dogs, compete in obedience and get hunt titles on them. That is my goal with each dog I have, beauty, brains and birdsense.

I recently was told by a naive young lady that every time I breed a litter or buy a new puppy from a breeder I am personally responsible for a dog being put to death at the pound. I chose not to respond to this ridiculous statement.

Adopt don’t shop has been spewed at me too many times to count. I don’t want a shorthaired pitt mix from the pound period. That is 80% of what is found at our local shelter. The rest tend to be chiuahaha type things. None of this appeals to me.

I want a certain type of dog that will look a certain way when it grows up. It will have a specific type of coat. It will be birdy out in the field. This is the dog that appeals to me. I love dogs but I don’t want someone else’s mistake running around my house.

Indiscriminate breeding by backyard breeders and designer dog breeders is the cause of dogs being put down at the pound. I don’t think I have ever seen a male pitt in my town that has been neutered. They all are intact. They breed their tough guy dogs and cause an overpopulation of the breed.

Why are so many shelters in this country full of pitts and pitt mixes? If the population of folks breeding these things right and left with no regard for temperament etc. were put out of business the euthing of pound hounds would probably drop dramatically ! This is where the problem lies; not with responsible breeders who are producing high quality purebred dogs.

Backyard breeders and designer dog breeders are in it only for the money. And so many people fall for it every day. All you are buying is a poorly bred mutt.

[Djones]

I have pets. I don’t have competition dogs. I don’t know that i know anyone with papered dogs. If that makes me a mouth breather from your pov then that’s your truth. I don’t encourage crossing x with r and calling it a new breed, but I know that HERDA isn’t from some woodpIle crossing , nor is HYPP, nor is ERU in appies. So what about that?

[Djones]

And I ride trail horses. The most impressive horse I’ve ridden is an APHA Morgan cross who was an incredible trail horse in the rockies. But he didnt have papers so you all would turn up your noses.

[Bluey]

I don’t think anyone is talking about the individual animals out there, but about the breeding end of things.

That is when we should consider what we are doing a little more carefully, to be sure the individuals we are responsibly bringing to life have the better chances at a good life.

Churning out puppies of whatever fad of the moment suits the market, that they make money the only requirement, is fine by some and why not, in a free world?

Then the ethics of breeding, do we need that many more puppies out there, hoping there will be that market for them and homes that will keep them all their lives, is that who is buying most of those?
If yes, why not, right, supply and demand wins there.

When we have all those other puppies ending up in animal control shelters and euthanized in a few days, by the millions a year, is that ok?
Is it ok to breed that many more dogs that are no different than those in the shelters already?

Pure bred breeders generally have one breed and very few litters in a lifetime and have puppies already spoken for before they plan a breeding, the parents proven and others that want to do what those dogs do lining up for a chance at those puppies.

Those purebreed breeders that also crank up puppies for the general market, they are no better than those random bred breeders or fad breeders.

I wish anyone that wants to get a dog would go volunteer to their animal control shelter for just a bit, a few days a month, just see what all is happening there.

Then come tell those of us that do or have been there if we turn up our noses, or are just reflecting the sad situation of so many dogs out there being euthanized and wish there was a sensible solution, but no one has come up with it yet.
More careful breeding may at least help somewhat.

To mention people should be a little more careful with their breeding is not looking down noses, is telling it like it is.

Everyone has their dogs they love and do their best for, no matter what those are and that is the way dog ownership should be.

When it comes to breeding, well, then we really need to be a little more informed about what all is going on out there than just loving the dog/s we already have.

[Djones]

The parallels between white sofas and acceptable
​​​​​​ dogs is…interesting.

[S1969]

@SnortyPants

Exactly, I mentioned early on that the vast majority of dog owners are not sporting with their dogs, but most of us DO want to ride a specific discipline. I think horse breed snobbery is also rampant but st the root is at least some practicality. I think warmblood overrepresentation in dressage has changed some traditional facets of the sport in trading advanced collection in exchange for fancy front legs, and as a result PRE and lippizaners are no longer widely represented.

But hardly anyone is out there grouse hunting with a centuries old bloodline hound. If all a dog has to do is be a good dog and not bite or chase things then any breed or mutt will do with proper training.

First of all, most of us “elitist” aren’t actually blaming the dog owners, who simply want to enjoy their companion animal - we are blaming the money grubbing “breeders” who are indiscriminately producing puppies and plying them onto the unsuspecting and ignorant buyers.

I have no problem with the concept of breeding for “pet quality” dog. But real “breeders” use criteria and eliminate animals from the pool that don’t meet the criteria (based on health, temperament, conformation, etc.) That doesn’t mean they have to be of championship pedigrees - but it does mean there has to be some traits that are selected for before breeding.

And secondly, if you want to grouse hunt, you don’t bring a hound. You bring an upland game breed - and most of my friends do exactly this. There are just as many people that take this seriously as those who know the difference between hunters and jumpers. Or actually, maybe more.

So being called “snobs” on COTH is really quite ironic, actually.

[SnortyPants]

@S1969

First of all, most of us “elitist” aren’t actually blaming the dog owners, who simply want to enjoy their companion animal - we are blaming the money grubbing “breeders” who are indiscriminately producing puppies and plying them onto the unsuspecting and ignorant buyers.

I have no problem with the concept of breeding for “pet quality” dog. But real “breeders” use criteria and eliminate animals from the pool that don’t meet the criteria (based on health, temperament, conformation, etc.) That doesn’t mean they have to be of championship pedigrees - but it does mean there has to be some traits that are selected for before breeding.

And secondly, if you want to grouse hunt, you don’t bring a hound. You bring an upland game breed - and most of my friends do exactly this. There are just as many people that take this seriously as those who know the difference between hunters and jumpers. Or actually, maybe more.

So being called “snobs” on COTH is really quite ironic, actually.

Im sure your friends represent the vast majority of purebred sport dog owners.

[S1969]

@SnortyPants

Im sure your friends represent the vast majority of purebred sport dog owners.

My point is that you make it sound like very few people care that their dog is anything other than a couch potato or foot rest. You said “hardly anyone” - that’s just not the case. Maybe “hardly anyone you know” is out hunting with their dog, which is another story. “Hardly anyone” I know competes at a national level with their horses, but “lots of people” I know compete at a national level with their dogs.