has a new book. Bill Shanklin has written a very nice review on it.
http://www.horseracingbusiness.com/book-review-of-derby-innovator-14127.htm
Good writer, great salesperson, excellent at spending other people’s money. Average owner. Would love to see a P&L for each horse.
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Good writer, great salesperson, excellent at spending other people’s money. Average owner. Would love to see a P&L for each horse.[/QUOTE]
Interesting guy. Have to disagree with your characterization “average owner,” but we’ve agreed to disagree before.
I wish we had more biographical books on owners and, of course, trainers. You only get a small glimpse of them when included in books about individual race horses.
I am looking forward to reading this one.
Have you begun your autobiography or are you waiting to get your keyboard cleaned? Sticky keyboards are a problem. You never get the cocktail juice out of them.
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Interesting guy. Have to disagree with your characterization “average owner,” but we’ve agreed to disagree before.[/QUOTE]
OK, below average owner this year. His win % this year is 5%. That’s awful.
Overall it’s 17%, which is average. You need to be at 15% to show any kind of profit, and that’s assuming you are not at the bottom at the worst tracks.
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OK, below average owner this year. His win % this year is 5%. That’s awful.
Overall it’s 17%, which is average. You need to be at 15% to show any kind of profit, and that’s assuming you are not at the bottom at the worst tracks.[/QUOTE]
Pass me the tissues. I was considering all his involvement back to before the 97 derby. Anybody ask you lately if you have trained or owned a derby contending horse?
Are you taking your pound of flesh too? Memorial Day is taking on an entirely new meaning for me and I am still breathing. You better be careful. I will start an Arkle or Red Rum or Gallant Man or Battleship thread and you will be at a loss because you hadn’t been born when they raced. Haha. Besides everyone knows race horse partnerships couldn’t support a homeless man in Manhattan, unless you happen to be the managing partner.
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Pass me the tissues. I was considering all his involvement back to before the 97 derby. Anybody ask you lately if you have trained or owned a derby contending horse?
Are you taking your pound of flesh too? Memorial Day is taking on an entirely new meaning for me and I am still breathing. You better be careful. I will start an Arkle or Red Rum or Gallant Man or Battleship thread and you will be at a loss because you hadn’t been born when they raced. Haha. Besides everyone knows race horse partnerships couldn’t support a homeless man in Manhattan, unless you happen to be the managing partner.[/QUOTE]
When you have millions of other people’s dollars to spend, it’s not that hard to find graded stakes winners. Again, the win percentage is average at best, and dismal this year.
And start whatever thread you want about the olden days and horses that ran decades ago. It is meaningless.
Meaningless? (Banging head against wall).
I always thought that Irwin’s place horse in the 1997 Derby was misnamed. Captain Bodgit should have been named Captain Budget.
Very meaningful. :rolleyes::rolleyes:
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Have you begun your autobiography or are you waiting to get your keyboard cleaned? Sticky keyboards are a problem. You never get the cocktail juice out of them.[/QUOTE]
The voice, albeit slurring, of experience…:lol:
If those are the qualifications for stating an opinion on COTH I would guess that most of us are out of luck.
Irwin states in the book that he paid 500k for Captain Bodgit in 1997. That doesn’t sound much like budget shopping to me. Irwin is the consumate (self) promoter and salesman. Since the book is called Derby Innovator: The Making of Animal Kingdom, I wish it had had more to say about the good horses that he has been associated with.
I can’t wait to read his book. I like him and think he has been good for racing. He doesn’t see horse racing through Glimmerglass eyes. Here are a couple of links I particularly like.
http://www.thoroughbreddailynews.com/barry-irwin-op-ed-shared-archive/
A little honesty is wonderful isn’t it? Wish I had said it.
http://www.drf.com/news/kentucky-derby-trainers-respond-irwins-comment-about-lying
Lying is bad. I agree. Timing is everything. Irwin is spontaneous.
Maybe the book will be made into movie. What would the title be? Maybe “Way Over Budget.” Or “Team Overvalued.”
Added: All joking aside, I did a fact check and Team Valor is doing a great deal better than the majority of partnerships in 2016, as reported by Ownerview. Have no idea what this means in the world of partnership P&L’s, but its stats are significantly better than most.
https://www.ownerview.com/syndicate/o6-1670767/team-valor-international
