What is the difference between the registries. Why would a foal with two Hanovarian parents be registered Belgium?
Often breeders will have multiple registration options for a foal based on the parents approvals. The choice of which registry they go with may be based on a variety of factors (approvals for each parent (just because they are registered Hanoverian doesnât necessarily mean they are approved for Hanoverian breeding), costs, customer service, who has inspections near them or always registration via mail, etc). Itâs a great question to ask the owner of that foal - why did they chose x registry. To make it a little more confusing, there are also 2 Belgian registries - BWP and sBs.
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Thank you, the one I am referring to is SBS. Does it have to do with the quality of the foal ?
Back in the day, when breeding horses was a government concern, the registers were books of horses bred in the region using stallions at the government stations. A horse born in Hanover using a stallion from Celle was registered as a Hanovarian horse. The objective was to have farm horses that could be called up for military use at need. The sporty WB is a post WW2 invention.
Some breedees decided on a particular focus so e.g. the French used TB, French Trotter, Normandy Cob and Anglo Arab to make the Selle Francais, French Riding Horse, with the intention of producing jumpers in particular. Some registers became closed, such as the Trakehner. Others are still a mish-mash if you look at their pedigree. KWPN can include Hackney - which is a pity as the purebred Hackney is now a very rare breed. German riding ponies, for example, still have Welsh ponies up close though more WB has been introduced, with the loss of pony character. Some registers are the invention of one person, such as Zangerheid. All the main European registers require approved breeding stallions and mares which ensures a minimum physical quality and the register organisations also keep records of performance. Those records increase value of the horses compared with those of unknown breeding and uncertain potential. A foal may be registered because of its parents but it would usually still need approval to breed.
With the international growth of equestrian sports, such as show jumping, and the rapid development of reproductive techniques, such as AI, the trend is for WB stallions, in particular, to obtain multiple approvals to widen their market. So which register to use becomes a matter of convenience, cost, breederâs or ownerâs personal preference, marketing opportunities etc and doesnât have so much to do with the actual horse. Most modern WB are very similar in type because most are bred for the same sports. Quality varies more between animals than between registers.
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Thank you, that is a wonderful explanation!
What Willesdon says. However, the Hanoverian book is very strict. If this foal failed being registered Hanoverian it did not meet the Hannoverian standards AS A FOAL and was likely marketed to a looser registry, hence Belgium. These registries welcome the stricter breeding of a book like Hanoverian but have their own, looser standards. It is not uncommon for foals to fail being registered at a high standard book to be registered by a lower quality book. ut they donât accept poor foals or horses by any means! There are exceptions. For example, the Trakhener book is one of the strictest books out there and foals have to come from a registered Trak, a TB or an Arabian. Most other WB books are open to other WB books if the stallion/mare is also registered in their book. It does not necessarily mean the horse is of lower quality at all: the famous stallion Donnerhall failed his initial stallion test and much of his early registry applications but went on to be a GP horse and a prolific sire of talented FEI dressage horses, mares and stallions. Sometimes you have to really look at the foal in front of you.
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Can I apply for Hanovarian registration after foal is a year old?
I do not think the foal âfailedâ a hanoverian inspection, thatâs not really a thing out of approved parents, because registration is a different thing from breeding approvals.
More likely it was more convenient and/or cost effective, especially if either or both parents were not licensed/approved for breeding with the Hanoverian registry.
FWIW the belgian registry is excellent and consistently out performers the hanoverian book for show jumpers in world rankings.
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FYI itâs âBelgianâ warmblood, not Belgium. 
(think of it like some other registries - you wouldnât say Ireland Sporthorse or Germany Warmblood)
In very general terms, BWP is the book for northern Belgium, the dutch-speakers, and sBs is the book for southern Belgium, the French-speakers. BWP = Belgian Warmblood, sBs = Belgian Sporthorse. I have a horse registered sBs that is technically from Hanoverian, Holsteiner, and Thoroughbred descent. sBs was the easiest registry option for registration given distance/eligibility/etc. They are also much easier to work with than many of the others. sBs is an excellent quality registry, particularly for jumpers. Ever heard of HH Azur, Rothchild, H&M All In, or Hello Sanctos? Just a few of the really top jumpers that are registered sBs. Even considering how very small the registry is compared to most others, they consistently beat out many of the âbig gunsâ (they are almost always ahead of Hanoverian in particular) in the WBFSH rankings for jumpers.
I have literally never seen a foal score low enough to not be registered (which is much different from inspection/approval for breeding stock) from any registry. I highly doubt anything nefarious is happening here, sBs was probably just the breederâs preference of registries for whatever reason. Why would you want to change to Hanoverian registration?
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All of his ancestors are Hanovarian and Oldenburg. Dam line 4 generation sps Hanovarian. His dam all Hanovarian linkage was never inspected Hanovarian, she was sBs. So he had to be sBs. Will this effect how he shows on the line?
Not at all. These are conformation classes.
You can certainly apply but it will be rejected. 1) He is already registered with another registry. 2) His dam was not approved for Hanoverian breeding. 3) Sire may not be acceptable for Hanoverian breeding.
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Yes I think his mother would have to be inspected first.
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If itâs a âheâ why does registry matter, particularly Hanoverian??? Obviously he canât be stallion material, on paper, for Hanoverian.
Also once registered thatâs a done deal. Stallions or mares can be ârecognizedâ by other registries but not registered by them, usually based upon superior performance. If heâs slated for gelding this is all a moot point.
And hey ho - BWP or sBs are NOT shabby. They are known for using the âmost athleticâ types from other registries. Take a look at their websites or the WBFSH breed rankings!
Are you doing dressage or show jumping?
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Lol your right , no stallions for me we are cutting the little bugger in the spring. I think I just got caught up in it while shopping. Itâs such a hard decision
