Benchmark Sporthorses?

@vxf111,

You are probably correct, I have conflated the two.

However, the moot point I was trying to make is that even if Jessica Redman had serious doubts about this sale, she was obligated to convey the offer. And if the seller wanted to accept the offer, despite Jessica’s reservations, then the sale would have gone through.

I also suspect someone who buys and sells as many horses as Redman does is way more familiar with the rules of agency than I was at the time of my anecdote.

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My bet is that she was not engaged as an agent for Amos so was not involved in the purchase.

Which is entirely fair, as a pro they are justified in charging for their time and expertise.

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Does anyone else see the constant posting of Benchmark being called a “trader” over and over as a poke? This is a difficult sad situation on all fronts but for some reason reading that monicker over and over in what seems like a negative light makes me pause. Small detail I know. It just seems unnecessary. She is a seller. A broker.

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Jessica’s own words, in this very thread:

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My take on Benchmark is they ‘do right by the horses and the riders’ through providing many comprehensive videos of their interactions with each horse, their opinion about who the horse is suitable for based on extensive OTTB experience, and disclosure of known issues. This doesn’t mean they’re always right, or have crystal balls, and obviously they aren’t extensively investigating each person they’re selling to (and have never seen them claim they do).

Just offering as a take on how you could interpret the marketing without concluding that it’s lying or nefarious.

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We’ve known from Amos’ first post that there was no trainer acting as an agent in the purchase of the horse. You cut off the rest of the sentence that you quoted, which asked why a trainer would not be even slightly curious enough to ask to see videos of the horse she just agreed to take on training full time while the client was in the process of buying it.

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I don’t disagree with you at all about the agent’s obligation to convey the offer! Just wanted to keep the two issues separate because it’s not the case that a seller is obligated to accept an offer just because it’s conveyed.

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All of this can be true, and situations like Amos’ can happen at the same time. Cherry-picking single sentences from a post that clearly had a lot of thought behind it is disingenuous.

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A trader by definition buys and sells large quantities of horses. She’s a trader, and that’s fine. A spade is a spade.

Remember I bought one from her that she hadn’t even posted a ridden video of yet when I scheduled the PPE. I knew the risk I was taking, knew my own riding skills, and went for it.

Stock broker. Stock trader. Same thing.

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Maybe… but in the horse world I’ve always viewed the horse trader as the one who shaves the 30 year old horse’s teeth and calls him a colt. Perhaps it’s me. Carry on. I also think about the lament about finding horses. Jess does this. And especially the coveted thoroughbreds of old. The jacks of all trades. That needed a pipeline into new places that didn’t include shoveling them into a cattle truck for shipment. People who were connected enough to the backside of the track to find the gems.

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So you will not be happy no matter what is posted?

If you hit the up arrow in the upper right corner of every one of those quotes you can see the whole post.

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The only reason to NOT quote the entire context (not necessarily the entire post, but enough to show the intended meaning) is so that people won’t see the entire context. It’s purposefully disingenuous.

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Or, I was asked for specific examples. So that person so nicely posted specific examples. Not a whole post so one had to figure out what the specific examples are. That is the typical response of being asked for a specific example.
But sure, you find fault in it if it makes you feel better.

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Maybe, but there are several horse traders in my area whose market is the facebook post “anyone with a horse between X and Y they want to sell?” as they’re making a trailer route up the state. Their business model is the same - good pictures, a riding video, sell the horse as fast as humanly possible. They know as much about the horse as Benchmark does. The goal is quantity and speed.

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Oh come on. It is not at all. The up arrow takes ANYONE to the full post. I have preserved these at quotes rather than copies for exactly that reason. :roll_eyes:

Aren’t you the one who denied she said anything like this at all? And now your stand is “well she certainly didn’t mean it the way you think”? Really?

If Jessica wants to position herself as a dealer, great. She can slap a buy it now button on the website and seriously simplify her business. She doesn’t, though. She says those things I quoted above instead. But those things aren’t reflected in this particular sale, are they.

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Thank you! :clap:

There are a few people here that seem intent on using everything this seller does and/or says against her.

I don’t get it. I see a seller who is in a tough business trying to do right by the horses and the people buying them IN HER ROLE as a seller, not a trainer, not a veterinarian, and not as a fortune teller.

What do you get out of tearing her down? I mean, do you want the seller’s business to fail? Where do you think all these OTTBs end up without a Benchmark helping to place them? Are you going to step up and do it more perfectly?

Don’t tell me that it’s to make sure others don’t have a similar experience because the lessons to be learned here don’t require making anyone the bad guy or questioning their ethics and integrity, whether that’s the buyer, seller, veterinarian, or trainer. :woman_facepalming:

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You absolutely do not want the outside line around the haunches in a reactive horse prone to explosive bucking. Or a horse that is new to being long-lined who has not been gradually introduced to the feel. I can tell you how those scenarios go down, and it isn’t pretty.

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You didn’t understand my post, so I’ll try to explain again. I specifically said there is no need to quote an entire post, but an honest person will quote enough of a post to provide the full context of the quoted person’s intended meaning. That was not done here, and I will provide you with the following examples:

Simkie quoted this:

Here is what was said surrounding that sentence:

Simkie quoted this:

But this is what was written (bolding mine):

The seller spent a lot of time writing a long post not just defending herself and her business, but being honest about the fact that she doesn’t get it right every time. Simkie’s quotes did not reflect what was actually posted.

I’m not sure why you are so focused on my feelings and whether or not I’m happy, but rest aassured, I am doing just fine.

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I see. I wouldn’t consider her replies to this thread part of her advertising for her business or how she markets horses to someone shopping, so I don’t view them at all the way I would if they were part of her sales ads, her statements on her website, or in her Facebook marketing. Put another way, if you came across her horses for sale, you would not come across those claims as part of her sales business. I was wondering whether there were examples of her presenting herself to prospective buyers as representing their interests. Thanks for sharing the comments that inform your perception of the situation.

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I already explained what I meant.

I think she made it clear what she meant in her lengthy post, and I also think that meaning was not conveyed in the parts you quoted.

I don’t think it’s up to you how anyone runs her business. If you don’t like her business model, don’t buy a horse from her.

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