Best and Worst clinics you've been to

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Actually I’ll take that back, I looked at a couple videos and I’ll pass. What about this guy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYIU72KaLUw anyone clinic or audit him

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I’ve audited and cliniced with him. He has a HUGE repetoire of knowledge. He teaches a lot by telling stories. You will get the most out of his clinics if you subscribe to his video library and have learnt and practiced the basic principles of his “plan”. He gets amazing results - horses become calm and relaxed and easy to teach. He says that he provides trainers / riders with the skills to build the foundations for their horse - no matter the discipline. If you want to learn to ride, to jump, to do advanced dressage go elsewhere.

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I watched the warmup (which is often more interesting to me than the actual competition) once and LW had a fairly aggressive, cranky spanky warm up with hers. Everyone else came out pleasant, long and low, then pick it up, pat pat good pony and LW was still “BEND! MTRFKR BEND!!”

Turned me off of ever riding with her, and for the record CHS can be a little interpersonally problematic with teaching the humans but boy did she warmup kind and sympathetic and her horse looked like he absolutely loved working with her.

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This. Exactly. I have a lot of respect for most clinicians. I think most do their best to train a completely unknown horse and rider combination. Some are better with warmbloods. Some are good with all horses. However, the ones that have helped me sit better, warm up my horse better, and focused on basics I could retain and practice have been the most valuable. Best for me Paul Kathen, Bill Solyntjes, Jeremy Beal, Volker Brommann, and Shannon Dueck.

I’ve had bad experiences with some well known and respected clinicians that tried really hard to help me and my horse but she had medical problems we didn’t know about and they focused on her and not me. The more they tried, the more tense I got, the worse my seat became, unyielding reins, same with the horse, I’m tense/she’s tense, and if they wanted me to push her into a strong contact, it would fall apart or she would blow up. I had one lose interest and start chatting with a lovely barn buddy and I told him I was paying him for his time and not her and come back and teach me something. My first clinic was with a young European who also sold Hanoverians and declared my horse unsuitable, get rid of her. I’m surprised I tried again but all my barn buddies and my neighbor talked me into trying with Jeremy. He was lovely and enjoyed my horse and really helped us. He laughed a lot but in a very kind way.

My first ride with Bill was almost a disaster. The horse I was going to ride was lame, I pulled out my old mostly retired horse and started warming her up. It was freezing so I wore jeans and longjohns so I looked like a mess. Everyone was so cold they moved lunch up and didn’t tell me so I’m riding my old horse in the cold and finally get off and am hand leading her and have tired her out. Here they all come back and I am cold and mad and upset and think the weekend is ruined. I say something to him, the organizer, barn buddies, then he starts off irritated. Thank that old mare for bringing us both around because she is trying so hard, he snaps into being incredibly professional and helpful and it was a good ride. The next day was warmer so I show up in proper riding attire, my younger horse seems sound so I catch Bill on a break, hop on her bareback with the halter and ask him to check her. He said she looks great, see y’all later at the ride time. He worked with us every time he came for years as she slowly succumbed over the years to an unknown slow growth tumor. I wouldn’t know what was wrong and gave up in one clinic. I didn’t know if it was me or him and had no idea it was her. Two medical journal articles, a dental presentation, and a Western Horseman article, lovely lovely kind mare. Everything he taught me I can use on my current horse. When I put her down, I reached out to him as he doesn’t travel here anymore, and he was lovely and said just the right things.

Watching Paul give lessons got me started on Dressage for which I have the least natural talent ever. Paul is patient, kind, helps me and my horses, and I don’t backslide. Slow and steady progress. He sticks through horse rehab, rider rehab, loss of confidence, fear, he works with the horse and rider as presented. He is professional and dedicated to the good of the horse and helps the rider with calm and confidence. Volker and Shannon are dedicated, kind, patient, and work with the horse and rider.

Paul, Bill, Jeremy, Volker, and Shannon were and are so patient and knowledgeable and worked with the rider and horse in front of them, and I appreciate them so much.

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Sadly the only two clinics I ever attended would fit the worst category, I didn’t waster my money after that.

First one we all paid for a single private lesson, my lesson consisted of riding in a circle at the trot while the clinician and my trainer talked the whole time, I don’t think she ever made a single comment to me about my riding. This was supposed to be a dressage lesson. I got nothing from the lesson.

Second clinic was a group clinic with flat work the first day, then jumping on the second day. Clinician was a noted H/J trainer and judge. I was riding a QH which was a no-no I guess. He was a lovely jumper but didn’t look the part I guess, though he wasn’t a typical QH either. She actually told me to bring a western saddle for the second day if I wanted just to ride around on.

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Mine, too. I’ve been to 3 or 4 of his, and they were amazing.

Best: Joe Fargis

Worst: Linda Parelli (She lunged her warmblood over a picnic table with the lunge line wrapped every which way around his legs, over and over.)

My best was with Volker Broman last month. He’s an exceptional teacher, great diagnostic skills and every lesson in the clinic is really targeted at the pair he’s working with nlike many clinicians who seem to give everyone the same lesson

worst ever was a weekend clinic a few years back with Alfredo Hernandez. Inappropriate takes on a whole new meaning and it seemed he was either drunk or hungover for the whole thing …awful drama

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Great: Charles de Kunffy
Better: Tom Curtin
Best: Buck Brannaman

No worst, I always learn something!

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Best: Greg Best. I loved this clinic. Others don’t love him, but I do. I had a ball. Plus I had an Olympic silver medalist tell me I have “very good skills.” So basically I can die now.

Worst: I won’t name names, but I had a clinician show up drunk. He showed up late, tried to get into the ring by climbing through the rail, got stuck, fell, and rolled around laughing. Barn owner was apologetic, but I never got a dime back. I was on a well-schooled pony, so the ride was ok. The other gal (a junior) in my group was on a horse without a confirmed change. He had her gallop across the diagonal probably 20 times until the horse was a ball of nerves and sweat. It never resulted in a clean change. The kid and the horse were both wrecked for the rest of the day.

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Best - hands down = Ralph Hill
Worst - one year auditing George Morris when he derided one particular rider the entire time - nothing constructive just berating her the entire time culminating in calling her a dumb blonde at the end. Listening to his barrage of insults towards her took away from anything you could glean from the clinic.

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I had the opposite experience. He was really snotty to me and said absolutely nothing that helped me or my horse.

I was in a BN group with riders on former Intermediate horses, former Prelim horses, etc. and we were the last group of the day. Everyone executed everything easily and perfectly except for my dodgy, difficult horse.

I got left behind, Ralph’s advice: Let the dentist float his teeth.

My horse was tough to ride and a dirty stopper. His advice: Drink less coffee so you’re not so nervous.

That’s all I got for $300. Seriously. He’s a “legend” and I was so excited to learn from this man.

What a bummer. The Ralph Hill clinic I went to was years ago, before his injury, and most of the group were repeat Ralph Hill attendees and I’m sure when everyone is familiar with each other it has a different dynamic. We have Joe Fargis clinics at my barn every year and those are a lot of fun. It’s a very low key group, he’s very patient with the AARP cross rail section.

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I love what Brannaman has to teach. Auditing him opened up a whole new world to me. But I’d never ride in one of his clinics… at least from what I have seen. I think he’s got a chip on his shoulder that makes him mistreat people who are not good students (and who honestly don’t know they aren’t bringing the level of A-game preparation and attentiveness and kinesthetic skill to the ring). As a college prof who won teaching prizes at a legit Ivy League university, I won’t pay to watch someone abuse students in a way that I know doesn’t need to happen and in a way that would have gotten me fired. So, nope, not going to financially reward someone who doesn’t at least as well for his students as I know I can do. He can pay me to learn how to get the very best out of each student, LOL.

I also think that the crowd of people Brannaman crams into a ring for the lower-level clinics I have seen, plus the 3-hour duration of those sessions is a bad plan. I think it’s very, very hard on the horses and, I think, the people stop being so careful with their feel and timing somewhere around the 2 hours mark. So the structure of the clinic flies in the face of the level of concern and sensitivity to the horse’s point of view that he’s trying so hard to teach to the rest of us. And I think I’d give 50/50 odds of Brannaman ripping me a new one in public if, say, I got off at the 2 hour mark because I knew that my horse or I was out of gas. I never want to be put into that position, especially not for what I’d pay for that “privilege”, LOL!

I have sought out some other guys who ride in the Ray Hunt and Tom Dorrance vein, because of watching Brannaman. I think I would almost always go audit one of his clinics if I had the chance. I think there is something new I can learn each time.

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It’s nice to know my people finally have a name :lol:

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Yeah I had heard such great things. This was “post-accident” so who knows. It really put me “off” of clinics for a long time though.

The BEST clinic I’ve done (2x now) was with Hannah Sue Burnett. Her patience was endless (not just me, everyone). She hopped on difficult horses and worked with them and then put the riders back up and helped them understand what to do. She not only addressed the behaviors, but also rider mindsets - emphasizing that it’s our job to teach the horse - he owes us nothing. There were riders of all ages and abilities; the exercises were basic but really precise; it was hard but achievable.

Highly recommend.

haha it’s my group too and I’m sorry but I not fond of being called a “galloping geezer” lol,

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Worst ever clinic I rode in was Heather Bender. I don’t even know if she’s still around!
Second worst was Mike Etherly.
Third worst was Debbie Spence. I rode with her numerous times and to this day I can’t tell you one thing I learned from her.

Best was Jec Ballou and other best was… name escapes me but she’s a well respected judge, came up from California by our local dressage society. Shoot that’s going to bug me the rest of the day!!
Another best is Ernst Herrman.

Best audited was Hilda Gurney.

I also enjoy watching Laura Graves and if I got a chance to attend a clinic of hers I’d jump on it.

Best ever is Libby Lyman in Maine. We met at a Luke/Brian Neubert clinic at the farm she’s based out of. She took pity on me and my mare, who was being… difficult (I agree with above about 3 hour sessions with lots of riders thrown together not being the most productive.) It’s all about horsemanship but geared toward your average adult ammy who wants to enjoy their horse.

Linda Zang is a close second, mostly because the mare and I provided entertainment value at the end of a very long day. I was a newbie to dressage, the mare was NOT on her best behavior, and Linda was exceptionally patient and funny as we worked through the mare’s absolute certainty that she was going to be eaten by a bear, and by the end of it had a lovely counter-canter going.

Worst was a “despooking” clinic with Bill Richey… one of those mounted police training clinics where they just keep throwing scary stuff at you seeing if you will break. Big group, lots of chaos, and one particular rider who decided to pick on me – kept doing things to set off my mare, because he thought it was “funny.” I think my mare slept for 2 days straight after that one. I probably did, too. The next weekend, I took her to an obstacles clinic where we had plenty of time to figure things out, and we both got over it. There is a local BO who keeps trying to get me to come to his clinics that she hosts, and just doesn’t get why I keep turning her down. It’s just not a good clinic format for me or my mare.

Second worst: Mary Wanless. Not because it was that horrid, but she told me to get hip replacement surgery if I ever wanted to be a “good” rider, and didn’t have a lot to say beyond that.

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I have to chuckle, sort of, at the folks who don’t enjoy the Bill Ritchey clinics. I did one, once. We did fine and I learned a lot from Bill, but not because my horse was difficult. I can easily see why people/horses get overwhelmed at his (and other group type) clinics, and I would never have taken a younger/difficult horse through it. Like QuietAnn said, work thru it on your own, quietly, with more time. I know someone locally who hosts him every year.

Anyway, I digress.

I finally remembered the judge I rode with, Paula Lacy. She was really good, to all the riders/horses. I was new to my SM and she was very kind to us.

I’ve had some fantastic clinics with the following people, mostly with green or “difficult” horses (sometimes both):
Stephie Baer, Lucinda Green, Denny Emerson, Eric Smiley and Eric Horgan.

I found all of them had very good approaches, very patient too, with both me and the horse. Every single one of them was invested in learning a bit about me/horse, and then tailoring a program based around that. I’ve gone back to all of them and always have something new to add to my toolbox.

Once, I told Denny “I can’t” – and boy did I get the talking to of a lifetime – but I needed it. :lol:

The only negative experience I had was as an auditor/bystander to a clinic at an Eric Horgan clinic; my young (at the time, 13ish) sister had taken over the reins of my old TB, and was learning to event. He informed her that “this horse hates you,” among other things – which surprised me because he had always been a wonderful clinician for me. I think maybe he was having a bad day as the comments were not what I expected. It was a new partnership and it rattled her confidence for a while. I don’t think the horse hated her, FWIW - he loved his little girl and she did better with him than I ever did…

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