Best choice for Hind support boots and/or wraps

Not sure if this is the right forum… but since I do do HJ with this horse I thought I would try here first.
So my OTTB came up 3 legged lame on Friday after being turned out to free lunge. ( of course hours before we were to head to a weekend clinic). and trust me I won’t be doing that anymore…we gave him the weekend off and limited turnout and the vet was out today to recheck… He has improved but after X-rays of stifle and fetlock it was determined he twisted/Tweeked his ankle, and irritated a mild bone spur.
Good news is no ligament or tendon damage. And he has shown a lot of improvement since Friday with no Bute and limited turnout. He is in a stiff bandage wrap for the next 3-4 days and then a standing wrap for a total of 2 weeks. Vet said he think he will be fine and suggested possibly using support wraps. He didn’t really have any suggestions and he didn’t seem willing to sign off on a particular brand.

I have used the SMB in past but feel they are bulky and hot. And I felt like they almost gave too much support.
And I also know that there is much debate about whether anything really can give support. But I am interested to know what people use and have been happy with.
Thanks… I tried doing a search and didn’t come up with anything.

I’ve heard good things about the Equilibrium Stretch and Flex wraps.

The newly designed SMB Elite boots are much thinner and have more breathability.

My personal favorite though are the Horze Wraps, that have the fleece then the elastic bandage attached. Prior to those I used the Eskadron wraps, but I did not like how those wrapped. I really like the way the Horze brand fit my horses legs and the way they wrap easily.

I have the Brown ones, they come in brown, black, white, pink, purple… at least those are the colors that they have at the tack shop near me.

There is no “boot” or even a bandage that will provide “support” to a horse’s leg. Boots and bandages will provide “protection” from being bashed by other legs, hooves, jump poles, or protection from hitting the ground with running down (ankle touches the ground at the ergot at high speed) during racing or reining sliding stops, etc, but NO support. It doesn’t matter what the advertising says, what claims are made about support being supplied. That is just marketing, designed to make you make a purchase.

Horses who are racing sometimes use elastic bandages, applied to “hopefully” provide some support, when a horse is being raced when they probably should NOT be entered. Studies have proven that THESE tight and potentially damaging bandages ALSO provide either NO support, or perhaps 5% support as a maximum. They are not advisable to use for ANYONE other than someone who knows how to put them on, and TAKE THEM OFF immediately after the race, as damage can be substantial if these practices are not followed adequately. So don’t even think about it.

TIME, rest, and rehabilitative exercise is the only answer for soundness situations. The only thing that makes weaknesses stronger is exercise, correctly and judiciously applied. Trying to hold damaged horses together with boots or bandages while still in training is not good horsemanship, and will not be successful. Wrapping bits of stretchy cloth around legs, or affixing ANY sort of boot around legs does nothing to “support” the leg column, when 1200 lbs of horse steps down onto it at any speed. If not at speed, then support is simply not an issue. For walking and trotting, and easy canter, the amount of ankle drop is negligible.

So that is why your vet did not make a specific recommendation. If your vet really does not know that support of the leg column is not effected by boots or bandages, find another vet. Stable bandages can support capillary filling, which can be helpful with a stallbound and injured horse, to keep filling from becoming too large, and supply warmth to encourage circulation of blood. But does not “support” the leg column in any way. As long as that it the sort of “support” that your vet was considering, a simple stable bandage of whatever type you prefer will do that for you. Either stockingette, or non stretchy cottons (less risk for applying them too tight). Are you an experienced stable bandager? If not, or if you can not get help from someone who can effectively show you how, don’t go there either. More damage can be done if bandaging is done incorrectly.

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There is no “boot” or even a bandage that will provide “support” to a horse’s leg. Boots and bandages will provide “protection” from being bashed by other legs, hooves, jump poles, or protection from hitting the ground with running down (ankle touches the ground at the ergot at high speed) during racing or reining sliding stops, etc, but NO support. It doesn’t matter what the advertising says, what claims are made about support being supplied. That is just marketing, designed to make you make a purchase.

Horses who are racing sometimes use elastic bandages, applied to “hopefully” provide some support, when a horse is being raced when they probably should NOT be entered. Studies have proven that THESE tight and potentially damaging bandages ALSO provide either NO support, or perhaps 5% support as a maximum. They are not advisable to use for ANYONE other than someone who knows how to put them on, and TAKE THEM OFF immediately after the race, as damage can be substantial if these practices are not followed adequately. So don’t even think about it.

TIME, rest, and rehabilitative exercise is the only answer for soundness situations. The only thing that makes weaknesses stronger is exercise, correctly and judiciously applied. Trying to hold damaged horses together with boots or bandages while still in training is not good horsemanship, and will not be successful. Wrapping bits of stretchy cloth around legs, or affixing ANY sort of boot around legs does nothing to “support” the leg column, when 1200 lbs of horse steps down onto it at any speed. If not at speed, then support is simply not an issue. For walking and trotting, and easy canter, the amount of ankle drop is negligible.

So that is why your vet did not make a specific recommendation. If your vet really does not know that support of the leg column is not effected by boots or bandages, find another vet. Stable bandages can support capillary filling, which can be helpful with a stallbound and injured horse, to keep filling from becoming too large, and supply warmth to encourage circulation of blood. But does not “support” the leg column in any way. As long as that it the sort of “support” that your vet was considering, a simple stable bandage of whatever type you prefer will do that for you. Either stockingette, or non stretchy cottons (less risk for applying them too tight). Are you an experienced stable bandager? If not, or if you can not get help from someone who can effectively show you how, don’t go there either. More damage can be done if bandaging is done incorrectly.[/QUOTE]

I did end my original post stating that i know there is much debate on the effectiveness of support using wraps or boots. I am also experienced in applying wraps, so i am not worried about that. I do plan to eventually just used protective boots, but since he was such a dork in just the ankle boots, I am considering just using wraps to help protect, and hopefully keep him more mindful of where he is placing his feet.
So i understand where you are coming from but I don’t think it will do any harm to wrap him correctly and safely. if nothing else it will give me peace of mind.

Don’t ever turn out in any sort of wraps, free lunging included.

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Don’t ever turn out in any sort of wraps, free lunging included.[/QUOTE]

Why do you say that?

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Why do you say that?[/QUOTE]

Because there is the risk of the wrap coming unfastened. Which could potentially be stepped on and cause a number of injuries. At least that’s what I was taught. I was also told to never jump with polos on.

They can come undone causing the horse to step on it and get injured. They could slide down causing a bandage bow or the horse to step on it. Etc. Not worth the risk for literally zero potential benefit.

I like the Back on Track boots a lot. I have a horse that has been rehabbing from having 6 months in a box… his hind pasterns became weak. I have been using these on all fours and he is getting stronger.

I have used the products on myself and really do like them

https://www.smartpakequine.com/pt/back-on-track-therapeutic-exercise-boots--front-9466?utm_source=cpc&utm_medium=google&utm_content=shopping&utm_campaign=nb_shopping_tes&utm_term=19466

I used the Back on Track polos on a horse I rode who’d had an annular ligament injury. He got wrapped with the BOT no-bows. It seemed to help. I don’t think it helped by giving support though.

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There is no “boot” or even a bandage that will provide “support” to a horse’s leg.[/QUOTE]

So what is it that an SMB boot is doing that results in requiring more force coming down the leg to drop the pastern than on a bare leg?

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So what is it that an SMB boot is doing that results in requiring more force coming down the leg to drop the pastern than on a bare leg?[/QUOTE]

The boots can limit the range of motion. This is not necessarily ‘support’, nor is it necessarily going to prevent an actual injury. But that’s how SMB touts it.

Hmmm. Makes me wonder how people define support. Perhaps brace might be a better term; as in knee brace, wrist brace, ankle brace. Although the descriptions on the packaging of such items invariably includes the word support.

But then I have also heard the “boots can’t give support” and the “if the horse wears the boots every ride it will weaken the leg structures” theories coming from the same person. :lol:

OP - I used SMB Elites after a suspensory injury. They fit much better and were less bulky than the originals. The Ventech Elites were better yet.

iconoclast during work and back on track when stalled is my preference

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I’ve heard good things about the Equilibrium Stretch and Flex wraps.[/QUOTE]

I have these, and I love them for flatting.

Saratoga bandages, carefully wrapped, are my preference. They stretch similarly to an Ace wrap.

[QUOTE=RedHorses;8872430]
Hmmm. Makes me wonder how people define support. Perhaps brace might be a better term; as in knee brace, wrist brace, ankle brace. Although the descriptions on the packaging of such items invariably includes the word support.

But then I have also heard the “boots can’t give support” and the “if the horse wears the boots every ride it will weaken the leg structures” theories coming from the same person. :lol:

OP - I used SMB Elites after a suspensory injury. They fit much better and were less bulky than the originals. The Ventech Elites were better yet.[/QUOTE]

I agree. Maybe support isn’t the right word. And in fact I’m actually not concerned with supporting his ligaments or tendons more just trying to keep the joint aligned if that makes sense. Seems like he didn’t injure any ligaments just kind of jarred the joint, which has a mild bone spur.
I have purchased some Equifit T-sport wraps which are much less bulky than traditional polos. Not sure I am going to like keeping them clean, but I like the profile and the padding they provide.
Another problem I am noticing with him is doesn’t like bulky things on his legs. So I worry the SMBS or the Iconoclasts are going to be too annoying to him. part of the reason I think he injured himself in the first place was he didn’t like the small ankle boot and was taking funny steps and kicking out. He is starting to get use to things in his back legs now as the vet made him wear a stiff bandage for 4. Days and we are not just using a standing.

Thanks for all the great suggestions. It’s always good to hear what people have found to work in real life.

SMB sponsored some research years ago…early 90s maybe. IIRC they showed some increased circulation (from heat) but little to nothing indicating they actually provided any support at all for the leg column. Knew several big names on the breed side featured in their ads who did not use them at home and were privately skeptical.

Only brace or possibly a cast provides support for an 1100 lb animal plus the additional psi created by motion on a slender leg. Don’t think the math works for a soft, unframed boot in the support department.

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Another problem I am noticing with him is doesn’t like bulky things on his legs. So I worry the SMBS or the Iconoclasts are going to be too annoying to him. part of the reason I think he injured himself in the first place was he didn’t like the small ankle boot and was taking funny steps and kicking out. He is starting to get use to things in his back legs now as the vet made him wear a stiff bandage for 4. Days and we are not just using a standing.

Thanks for all the great suggestions. It’s always good to hear what people have found to work in real life.[/QUOTE]

My guy waves his hind legs around every time I put something on them. Anything - polos, standing wraps, brushing boots, SMBs, BoT Quick wraps. It makes me laugh because he acts like he didn’t know I put them on. When he goes to move the first leg comes up and gets waved around then he’s all “OMG it got my other leg too!” and he tries to wave that one around too, WITHOUT putting the first one down! :lol: It never works! Anyway he walks out of it very quickly and doesn’t mind them after that. Maybe your guy just needs some practice.