Best exercises to get an anxious horse to focus on you

[QUOTE=beowulf;8511120]

unfortunately, you seem to be missing the point. forcing a horse to stand still is not the answer for every horse.
there is nothing wrong with having multiple solutions in your tool box for anxious/mental rides.
i was offering a different approach to your suggestion,
which IMHO works only on some horses and not all.
i think it’s a wonderful idea for piggish horses, but i also think that attempting
to do that with a genuinely fearful horse is a good way
to get the rider hurt and the horse losing trust in you.

>>i really don’t think you’ve ridden a truly nervous and excited horse if you think
that forcing them to stand still and read a book is always the answer.<
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You ASSUME to know A LOT about my horsemanship and skill level,
for having ZERO idea who I am.
As well, I’ve obviously “NEVER” ridden a “truly nervous and excited horse”
because “forcing them to stand still and read a book is always the answer”.
I not once have used the words EVERY, FORCE, NEVER or ALWAYS.
Genuine thinking, and problem solving people, DO NOT need to speak in such absolutes to make their point.

Beowulf, you appear to be someone who ‘knows what you know’ and
are sadly very CLOSE MINDED to any other suggestions or input.
You also spend A LOT of time ASSUMING what others know and do.
Your posts scream insecurity at being second guessed.
Again, pretty sad that you are so threatened that the dialogue
begins and ends with ONLY what you think and say.

Never mind OP, I give up :no:
There are certain people on this post who cut & paste certain words to
completely DISTORT the meaning of my real words and thoughts.

There is nothing wrong with the advice I have offered other than it has completely
THREATENED a few posters in this thread.
Geesh!

honestly, i probably would have never posted if i knew you would get so upset over my alternate suggestion. i think it says a lot that you are calling me insecure when i was just pointing out that isn’t always a solution. i have never in my life been called close minded. i think teaching a horse to stand still when and where you point them is a great tool to have, and i do expect my horse to stay put when i ask him to stand somewhere. but not all horses can handle being told to stand still when they are upset and fearful.

i’ll leave this quote –

“Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted.” ~ Ralph Waldo Emerson

as always the horse world – three opinions.

two ideas:
The Bow Tie: Start on the long side. circle at B. COntinue to corner, turn down CL, diagonal line to B, circle, continue to corner, down CL, diagonal line to B, repeat. You can vary this in many ways. Use a 15 or 10M circle. Make a 10m circle at the end of the arena before turning down CL. Come off the circle at B in a diagonal line to C or A, make a turn to the long side, circle at B again. etc. The repitition of it, with the changes of bend, and the pattern, have a calming and focusing effect.

The other idea: Think about using a fly veil with ears,like some folks show in. Get the schlockenmoel one with the heavier ears. It has worked to focus 4 out of 4 horses my trainer has tried it on.

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[QUOTE=beowulf;8511241]

honestly, i probably would have never posted if i knew you would get so upset over my alternate suggestion.
i think it says a lot that you are calling me insecure when i was just pointing out that isn’t always a solution.
i have never in my life been called close minded.
i think teaching a horse to stand still when and where you point them is a great tool to have, and i do expect my horse to stay put when i ask him to stand somewhere.
but not *** all*** horses can handle being told to stand still when they are upset and fearful.

i’ll leave this quote –

as always the horse world – three opinions.[/QUOTE]

Beowulf, ^^ there YOU go again, using the ABSOLUTES again.
I don’t use the words “ALWAYS” , and “ALL” but - YOU DO !!

That ^ is a complete distortion of my words, and its WRONG.
No wonder the point is lost on you.

I have had much more success with the ‘walk and bend and move until you’re bored’ method of riding an anxious horse than the “sit here until you’ve calmed down” with many of these horses, their minds are constantly moving whether we are riding them or not and the trick is to be able to ride the mind and be one step ahead of it. It’s really the only way to have success with this type of horse, that I’ve found.

I do also use earplugs with my guy. Not all the time because it means I also can’t talk to him, but if there is going to be an amount of noise that could be distracting (like yesterday, with the loggers working in the woods next to the ring) I will put them in. And always remember: the groundwork to instill the respect that he is to LOOK TO YOU FOR GUIDANCE WHEN HE IS UNCERTAIN is the key. I never, ever allow this horse to tune me out and do what he wants. When he does that, he works very hard, immediately, usually going sideways away from whatever he is so distracted by. That part is nonnegotiable. You must always remember that compassion for the horse’s anxiety, feelings, whatever must never override the fact that he is working at your direction.

[QUOTE=TrailRides4Fun;8511253]
Beowulf, ^^ there YOU go again, using the ABSOLUTES again.
I don’t use the words “ALWAYS” , and “ALL” but - YOU DO !!

That ^ is a complete distortion of my words, and its WRONG.
No wonder the point is lost on you.[/QUOTE]

Please, can we get back to the point of this thread and stop the bickering? I have a similar horse that I’m trying to improve and your posts are no longer helpful on this topic.

[QUOTE=beowulf;8511095]
really? a four loop serpentine makes a horse nervous and upset? i have four OTTBs in my front yard that can tell you otherwise. countless others that have moved on to new homes, horses i’ve ridden for clients, etc. the four loop serpentine exercise is used in many UL schooling programs - i’ve had many clinics with UL eventers where we have used this exercise to calm one of my very mental rides (if it gives you any indication of how hot he was, his name was ‘spooky’ :lol:) . maybe you can tell them they’re silly and that they have really bad advice. the exercise is implemented to get that horse listening to you and really on the aids - it is a wonderful exercise and is great for the very green horses who do not know lateral work yet. it’s a great way to get them supple and attentive without tiring them. i really don’t understand where trust is lost doing this exercise - it is gentle and very low key.

a genuinely hot, fearful horse does not want to be forced to be stood still and they will dispose of you in a HOT MINUTE if they think you may interfere with them getting away safely. certainly NOT if you have a book in hand. keeping a genuinely hot horse moving forward is the best exercise for most of those types of horses.for a lazy horse that is being spoiled or a brat? standing still absolutely is wonderful advice and i have in the past implemented a very similar exercise. but i would never, in a million years, expect a genuinely scared horse to tolerate standing still while i read a newspaper… IMHO a VERY good way to encourage a horse to rear.

manni01, how many OTTBs have you retrained? none, right? my post wasn’t telling TRAIL she was wrong – i was simply pointing out that for some horses, that will not work and will escalate their anxiety. are you telling me that every horse in the world will be able to handle that exercise? certainly, your expertise in retraining OTTBs will help you form that decision. [/QUOTE]

I guess there are some poor OTTBs which are retrained by you. No I have not retrained millions of OTTBs like you did obviously, I have only ridden and started horses (and some of them with a lot of TB %) for the last 30 years. And some of them were quite hot . And why are you talking about a 4 loop serpentine??? Did you change your mind about what you said??? I guess I have to quote it again to make it clear to you what you said…
You gave the advice to hold the reins tight and ride so many serpentines as possible until the horse nearly turns on the haunches…

"they need their hands held sometimes and this is one of those times where the hand-holding reassurance is very important.

i like dressagediosa’s link - and use those exercises. my favorite to get a horse really thinking of you is the four - loop serpentine from K - V - L - D - A , etc - keep it on the short side of the arena and try to fit as many as you can until your guy is practically turning on his haunches to do so"
thats what your advice was, hold the reins tight and turn them so fast that he doesnt know whats going on anymore… Sounds really nice… poor horse

Countrywood, I found that the difficultly doable exercise for the horse is also a good way to take the rider’s focus off their own fear/worries because you have to focus on the exercise as well both to help the horse perform, but also to keep him from cheating the work. It gets both horse and rider actively DOing something, which leaves less brain available for the it’s going to eat me/he’s going to explode and dump me concerns. :wink:

I speak from personal experience. The horse who made me come up with the method was always spooky, but did come to rely on me telling him what to do in scary situations and would listen. Over time I came to trust that he would listen and was calmer myself just knowing I had that tool available to keep him together.

Finding that it also worked on the young horse allowed me to calm myself more easily when he got worked up. Which in turn helped him calm down too.

good point to remember RedHorses! :slight_smile: I need to have in advance a set of go to small space doable excersizes such as tiny figure 8’s or mini serpentines because my horse tends to act up more along limited space dirt paths between arena and barn (though occasionally in arena as well)

[QUOTE=Manni01;8511354]
I guess there are some poor OTTBs which are retrained by you. No I have not retrained millions of OTTBs like you did obviously, I have only ridden and started horses (and some of them with a lot of TB %) for the last 30 years. And some of them were quite hot . And why are you talking about a 4 loop serpentine??? Did you change your mind about what you said??? I guess I have to quote it again to make it clear to you what you said…
You gave the advice to hold the reins tight and ride so many serpentines as possible until the horse nearly turns on the haunches…

"they need their hands held sometimes and this is one of those times where the hand-holding reassurance is very important.

i like dressagediosa’s link - and use those exercises. my favorite to get a horse really thinking of you is the four - loop serpentine from K - V - L - D - A , etc - keep it on the short side of the arena and try to fit as many as you can until your guy is practically turning on his haunches to do so"
thats what your advice was, hold the reins tight and turn them so fast that he doesnt know whats going on anymore… Sounds really nice… poor horse[/QUOTE]

manni01, nowhere in my post did i say anything about holding the reins tight – that is entirely you. i never mentioned speed or tightness - for someone who keeps quoting my post it sounds like you have yet to read it. i said my favorite exercise was the four loop serpentine. i’m aware you are not a native english speaker and it sounds like you are inferring something from my post that is simply not there. are you done with the ridiculous personal attacks? asking a horse to do a four loop serpentine with TOH/TOF at the walk is not cruelty :rolleyes:

the four loop serpentine ties closely in with the “four corner circle” exercise - both are my go-to with hot and unsteady horses. riding a circle and asking them to do very baby TOH or TOF on each “corner” of the circle – both are great exercises for suppling a very tense horse. at the walk.

ETA: apparently, george morris likes the four loop while jumping – it’s in his book, “celebrity jumping exercises

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For those of you have have sensitive horses, what is the best ways that you have found to maintain the focus on you?

Whenever I take my OTTB into new arena he gets tense and easily distracted. I’m a calm rider and my typical way of dealing with this is letting him walk on a comfortable rein until he settles into his rhythm, which normally works but if there are lots of horses/bikes/tractors etc on the periphery he gets more keyed up. It can get to the point where I know I am not trusting him(defensive riding) which obviously makes him more tense.

I ride him 5 x a week, and he is a sweetheart on the ground, he lunges well and is great in environments he is comfortable with so I know that I can hold his attention and communicate with him, its just that sometimes he gets into survival ‘lizard brain’ and I’d like to know what you guys do to prevent this.

I’ve tried putting him in lateral work, voltes and give him a variety of things to do, but there have been times when all this activity makes him fussy and resistant.

I want to show him down the road, so I need to know that I can trust him in uncertain situations when I can’t control what is happening outside the show ring. Drugging is NOT an option, nor is lunging him until he is too tired to think.[/QUOTE]

I have a very spooky and insecure horse. I think there is alot of good advice here, but I would not recommend sitting on your horse unless your attention was 100% on your horse.

Last year, I took Sir SpooksAlot to several local “open” shows. The beauty of these shows is that a) they’re chaotic and if you can handle them, you can handle any recognized show b) you can enter and scratch at will c) people - including competitors and show managers - are extremely accommodating if your horse is having difficulty d) none of this goes on your horse’s record and e) it doesn’t cost alot to attend. We also did a couple of dressage schooling shows and a couple of two-day shows.

The key for the one day shows is always getting there EARLY and walking your horse around, let him graze around the arena, let him see everything, and generally get at ease before the atmosphere picks up. Often, you can walk in the arena before the competition, and I like to practice (on the ground) jogging off with my horse, doing several trot, walk, halt, walk, back-up, trot off transitions on the ground. This gets him thinking that he has to listen to me but there’s no pressure because I’m on the ground. I also stand up in the judges stand so he knows people stand up in there.

I also teach turn on the forehand and turn on the haunches (not second-and up level, but swing forehand around haunches) at home. I don’t think this ruins the true turn on the haunches later on because the two are ridden very differently. Also sidepass. When my horse is truly acting up from nerves, I take him to a walk and put him into a pattern of these exercises. There’s no big forward momentum yet he’ll fall on his face if he’s not paying attention because they all activate the crossing of legs and reach with the crossing. And since he knows them so well from home, it’s easier for him to focus on a “square pattern” or something similar or whatever at a show. SURE, he’ll get fussy if he doesn’t feel like he wants to pay attention but too bad. He has to pay attention because he’s going to do these simple exercises until he does them. They’re low impact - he can do them all day. Then I’ll trot off, halt, side pass, trot off, etc. That’s REALLY hard to do unless he’s listening. Once he starts listening more, I lay off the difficulty. He knows leg yield and that’s an easy exercise he can do to maintain his focus. Especially if we go left for several steps, straighten, go right. I make doing the right thing=easier ride and doing the wrong thing=harder ride. Over the course of last year, this strategy worked really well and he became easier and easier to focus at shows. I even managed a kid riding a big wheel in proximity of the arena - my crowning achievement.

I think our best class was a class where he was absolutely losing it (there was highly unusual activity going on outside of the arena) and I knew I was going to lose anyway. So I “threw” it and rode it exactly how I needed to: lots of shoulder-in and haunches in (still trot - even though the movements weren’t called for), and I put in circles in the canter (maintained canter even though circles weren’t called for). I leg-yielded in the walk (not called for). The most important thing wasn’t aiming for a win, but teaching my horse that I WILL ride him in an arena, and when he relaxes and listens, things get easier for him. I obviously didn’t win but the judge commended me for giving my horse the ride he needed given what was going on. i wasn’t riding for that day, I was riding for the future.

So to recap, I think if you can find some low-impact movements that are really difficult for a horse to do if attempting to run away with you and make your horse solid at home with these exercises, they become the familiar “training touchstones” when you are at a show and your horse is having difficulty focusing. I find that hot horses really need routine.

Oh, the other thing I’ve done is do obstacles at home. I’m lucky to have my horse at a place with several obstacles. this sort of work really taught my horse to say “I have no freakin’ idea what this is, but it must be something you think I can figure out and it won’t kill me, and so I’ll trust you”. I did things like put fake flowers and pinwheels in the dressage letters at home, all sorts of things to create distraction that he had to learn to handle.

wow everyone thank you for all the GREAT responses! Here are my takeaways:

when the atmosphere is hectic, doing a little groundwork with my horse before getting on (like on the road leading up to the mounting block) will make sure his attention is on me, rather than me leading him around loosey-goosey chatting everyone up en route to the arena.

I’ll start practicing the square, small figures of eight etc and making them go-tos so they are comfortable for him and we can ‘pull them out’ when he starts to get distracted. Like J-Lu said, if he is really being naughty and spooking out of “but mom I don’t wanna do it” he gets a harder exercise to do, and as he loosens his body he gets rewarded with lighter work.

I also like the idea of obstacles - the last place I boarded him at had a western trail class set-up, so I would make him walk over the bridge planks etc just to build trust - seems like we could sure use a brush-up lesson!

As to the ‘stand still’ or ‘move his feet’ argument - both are appropriate for different instances. I think the majority of instances when my horse is ‘spooking’ its really him just being kind of naughty / not wanting to work. Like spooking at a jump in the arena. really guy? you’ve seen that jump 100 times. In those instances, (for my horse) taking control of his movement is the better answer. However, there have been times on the trail where he is legitimately frightened - I’m talking shaking, sweats and diarrhea. This is when I let him stand, even when he spins and tries to run, I make him stand until we are BOTH breathing calmly. So different fixes for different situations.

Thank you also to those who responded to the human element here, its SO HARD to not mentally freeze up when I feel him inflate and get tense. It doesn’t help that I had a recent fall on him either, but I know this is something I can work past. I love the yoga idea and the ole fashioned - just remember to breathe dummy!

Great Summary!

When I am talking about groundwork before you get on, I don’t mean a little bit of groundwork. I mean honest to goodness, I am here, I am the only thing in your world right now, and I don’t care if a hot air balloon is landing in the field beside us, you don’t give a damn, you focus on ME. NOW. And until I have that, I do not get on. It went from taking a while to taking about a minute. Sometimes a little more, sometimes a little less.

We have a routine, it works for us, and until I know that his eyes are on me and his focus is on me and me alone, I do not get on.