I have a beautiful (ok, so I’m biased!) Oldenburg yearling gelding that I have bred myself. I have tried to do everything right for him. According to the directions on the container, Grow Colt should only be fed until they are yearlings. I also have him on a coat supplement and a hoof supplement. He gets coastal hay and alfalfa, plus SafeChoice. Do I need to have him on a multivitamin also? If so, is there one that is best for yearlings? He is growing like a weed and a little ribby right now…maybe a weight supplement? I don’t want to over-supplement, but I don’t want him to be missing anything either.
TIA!!
How much Safechoice? Nutrena?
Personally, that’s too high in starches for my taste, growing horses or adults.
A little ribby is good for yearlings :yes: But that has nothing to do with nutrition. You want ample nutrition, but keep the calories lean.
TC Growth is low in sugars. Ration balancers can be used as nutrition, and you can add things like alfalfa pellets and/or beet pulp for more calories when they are needed, and reduce/remove them when they are not, without compromising nutrition.
I also have a beautiful Oldenburg yearling and I have her on Nutrena SafeChoice, Source just because all my horses get the seaweed supplement, and Blue Seal’s Min-A-Vite Alfalfa mineral supplement to balance out our hay (to get the correct 2:1 calcium : phosphorous ratio). The Min-A-Vite must taste horrible because if I don’t mix it in well, it’s left at the bottom of the bucket after she eats. She gets free choice second cutting grass/clover hay, which turned out to have high calcium content like alfalfa when we had it analyzed.
I too wondered about Grow Colt. When she was a weanling, I used SmartPak’s SmartVite Foal Pellets since she is an easy keeper and didn’t get the full amount of grain that is recommended on the bag. They no longer make the foal pellets, unfortunately.
she has worms that are resistant to basically everything except ivermectin
Many worms are resistant to everything but macrocyclic lactones (ivermectin family). So you can feel better that it is not just your horse.
http://chronofhorse.com/forum/showthread.php?t=234211
IME, yes, normal. However, if she still has a full Winter coat, it might be worth investigating.
I just wanted to add - we’ve had a horrible time trying to get her parasite load under control. We did fecal after fecal after fecal and it turns out that she has worms that are resistant to basically everything except ivermectin (we never did try moxidectin since it such a “big gun” that it was not recommended for me to use it unless she turned out to have resistance to everything).
It shouldn’t be that difficult to get parasites under control. Double dose fenbendazole for ascarids, Equimax for strongyles, tapeworms, and bots. Quest (now that she’s old enough) if there are suspected encysted strongyles.
If you did not use ivermectin every other rotation in the first year, she’s had a strongyle issue, most likely. If you never double dosed fenbendazole (ie Safeguard), then she likely has a high ascarid issue (which could be related to the coat issue).
Strongid/Safeguard/Panacur have no business in single doses in any program unless it’s for a horse with a known heavy load and you don’t want to cause a large die-off. There is a high resistance issue with those all over the world.
I’m saddened your vet is apparently not remotely aware of this
I did not mean to derail the thread from the OP’s original intent. I am a veterinary student at Cornell and have been working with parasitologists and other veterinarians within the college so I have top vets at my finger tips. I don’t want to get into the worm issue since this is not the topic of the thread and my resistant worm discussion would be a saga so I’ve deleted my portion of the post discussing the worms. Okay, back to supplements for yearlings.
I think putting a yearling on a hoof supplement and a coat supplement is unnecessary. A good quality grass hay and a supplement like the Dynamite products (clean, no chemicals) is what I have done for 20 years.
My horses are dappled, shiney and unbathed. No coat dressings. They live outside.
Foot quality is excellent.
Photos available.
Merle, I would love if you have any latest and greatest information on resistance issues Maybe you can start another thread?
But truly, ivermectin and moxidectin are the only broad-spectrum chemicals that still work, and it’s been that way for a while. It’s very, very easy these days to have strongyles in a horse, on a farm, highly resistant to fenbendazole and pyrantel pamoate. Pyrantel Tartrate has a growing resistance issue with strongyles, oxibendazole is mostly only effective against some things at a 1.5x dose, and ascarids are a bigger and bigger issues with ivermectin resistance issues.
We do and have done nothing fashionable in our feeding program for 40 plus years. We use Tizwhiz products, and are very happy, especially with their Broodmare formula, which we use with all the youngsters.
http://www.tizwhizfeeds.com/
I suspect feeding a yearling Oldenburg is not much different from feeding any other warmblood.
Thank you all for the info.!
Oops! I made a mistake…when I checked at the barn last night, she actually feeds the Acco Safe & Sound, not the SafeChoice. He gets 10lbs a day, split into 3 feedings.
I wish I could switch his feed to something more growth related, but he is boarded at a riding stable, and the only options offered are Safe&Sound or Senior.
Also, because the hay comes from various suppliers, I can’t really get it tested.
So, I guess my real question is, is he getting enough of everything from the Safe & Sound, hay & alfalfa, or do I need to add supplements?
10 lbs of concentrate a DAY! WOW! That seems really high to me.
My adult HARD-keeping TB in a full training schedule got 10 lbs of feed a day I guess…He also got two flakes of alfalfa in addition to all the grass hay he could eat.
Also, if 10 lbs a day of a concentrate doesn’t have more than enough vitamins and minerals included for health, then there is a real problem with that feed, imo. I am guessing, without seeing the label, that you are in fact over-supplementing already.