Beware of selling " on the cuff"

[system]

I sent a horse back to the woman I purchased him from after an accident prevented me from riding again. The “deal” was on the cuff she was to sell him and pay me what the initial cost of the horse was, anything above that was hers to keep.

This woman is a professional staff member of one of the hunts in Aiken SC.Not only did she not attempt to sell the horse she tried to claim " I sold the horse to her for $ 1.00 "

Well the judge did not believe her and the horse was returned to me within 2 hours. Good news I sold him for full price the next day.

ALWAYS get everything in writing don’t believe a hand shake means a darn thing.Take excellent photos of your horse and attatch them to the contract.

[mustangtrailrider]

I have a question.

Why are you coming on here telling us “details” of this? A general warning yes. A watch horse people in Aiken, no.

I guess I don’t understand!

[system]

Good information is appreciated regardless of where it occurs

[Reynard_Ridge]

I think it is pretty common knowledge around these parts that anyone who enters into any kind of horse deal, be it boarding, selling, leasing, or training without a written contract is not the sharpest tool in the shed.

[mustangtrailrider]

Thank you very much for reminding us to be careful of “deals” we make with others. I certainly hope I don’t have any dealings with this person as I do know a few members from various hunts!

Thank you for your reminder!

[system]

Thank you for pointing out that I made an obvious mistake.That is what brought me to this forum.

[mustangtrailrider]

Either way, it helps to remind the rest of us to get it in writing!

[crosscreeksh]

A good reminder! Those of us who are older, remember when…“back in the old days”, a person’s word was as good as a written contract. This heads up is a reminder that word of honor has unfortunately gone the way of the Dodo bird. What a shame. Glad you got your horse back ok!

[pAin_t_Misbehavin]

[QUOTE=Aiken SC;4639175]
Good information is appreciated regardless of where it occurs[/QUOTE]

And a cheap shot is . . . a cheap shot.:no:

[cssutton]

[QUOTE=pAin’t_Misbehavin’;4639432]
And a cheap shot is . . . a cheap shot.:no:[/QUOTE]

You must have missed the significance of:

A court case which confirmed ownership of the horse.

A recitation of public court record is not a cheap shot.

The recitation of court confirmed fact is not a cheap shot.

CSSJR

Since posting the above, I looked up your bio.

A lawyer based in SC.

Probably Aiken.

Since a lawyer already knows repeating public court records is not a cheap shot…why would you insult the OP?

[pAin_t_Misbehavin]

[QUOTE=cssutton;4639969]
You must have missed the significance of:

A court case which confirmed ownership of the horse.

A recitation of public court record is not a cheap shot.

The recitation of court confirmed fact is not a cheap shot.

CSSJR

Since posting the above, I looked up your bio.

A lawyer based in SC.

Probably Aiken.

Since a lawyer already knows repeating public court records is not a cheap shot…why would you insult the OP?[/QUOTE]

Nope, I’m about as far from Aiken as it’s possible to get and still be in SC.

And the OP is not reciting public records - she’s saying a staff member of one of the Aiken hunts is, basically, a horse thief. That’s a pretty broad brush.

If her intent is to out the person who she says did wrong, then that’s one thing. You’re right - court cases are public record, except in the rare instance when a case is sealed.

But the OP didn’t out the person at all. She cast suspicion on a whole lot of people, the majority of whom are no doubt honest in their dealings.

If her intent is just to warn people about getting matters involving horse sales in writing, what difference does it make where the other party is employed? The extra detail that the person is hunt staff doesn’t seem to me germaine to the tale.

[cssutton]

I will let her defend herself, but that is not what I got from it.

What I got was total surprise that she could not trust that person and the realization that if you can’t trust a person in that capacity one should exercise care in dealing with everyone.

As I spent 56 years as a major distributor of very expensive industrial grade equipment, I have read the fine print on many purchase orders, written by lawyers.

Lawyers don’t give anyone credit for their past performance, their word or their honor.

I have actually sent purchase orders back as unacceptable because of insulting totally one sided language.

So I am still puzzled at a lawyers jab at the OP when she said in layman language what every corporate lawyer puts in writing when composing contracts.

I am not going to pursue this thread beyond this post, but I would suggest that you not be so hard on the OP.

She has good reason to be upset and upset people usually vent. Nothing wrong with that so long as it is not libelous.

CSSJR

Lawyers only reason for existence: Too many people are not trustworthy.

[system]

The reason I pointed out the persons relationship to a hunt was exactly how I fell into the trap. I thought as a paid emplyee of the hunt she was a far more credible person than she turned out to be.

[pAin_t_Misbehavin]

[QUOTE=cssutton;4640300]

Lawyers only reason for existence: Too many people are not trustworthy.[/QUOTE]

An older colleague of mine tells a story about asking his father whether he should “read for the law” (as they did back in the day); go to seminary; or take a teaching degree. His father recommended a legal career to his son, but with the caveat that “if Christianity and common sense ever catch on, we won’t need lawyers.”:winkgrin:

Lawyers don’t give anyone credit for their past performance, their word or their honor.

Here, let me prove you wrong.
I have always found your posts knowledgeable and enjoyable -even when, as here, we don’t agree.
So there.

[cssutton]

Well, I probably should have modified that statement somewhat.

Dealing with those you really know and have dealt with before is one thing.

Even dealing with those you do not know, but whose reputation you know is another that you can trust based on that reputation.

That is why I always, with only rare exception, deal only with someone I know or one who meets the reputation measuring stick.

That is one reason I have only dabbled in Ebay and would not bid higher than gambling money.

For example, I just purchased a used saddle for a spare from Middleburg Tack Exchange rather than gambling on Ebay.

That woman is so conservative and undersells that I got much much more for my money than I thought I was getting.

The secret to good business.

Enough said for my part.

Thanks for the compliment.

CSSJR

[armandh]

the best contract

is one you never have to look at again.

everyone knows what is expected and does it.

but when differences arise it is great to be able to go back to the .doc
rather than rely on memory

[pAin_t_Misbehavin]

[QUOTE=armandh;4647603]
when differences arise it is great to be able to go back to the .doc
rather than rely on memory[/QUOTE]

Written contracts can also be a great way to head off differences in the first place. If someone’s wondering, for example “now, can I stable my lease horse off the owner’s property?” s/he can just get out their copy of the contract and look.

Way less likely to cause a disagreement than having to call up and ask the owner - who might be in a bad mood that day and snap back with “You know very well we talked about that and the horse can’t so much as leave the property overnight.” And then the drama llama starts trotting round the paddock.:winkgrin:

[Groro]

You get what you pay for!

I have been buying and selling horses for 30 years. I no longer take horses “on the cuff” to sell. I make folks pay expenses and at minimum stall board. Usually I charge training board. Then when I sell the horse I only charge 10% commission on the sale.

I believe I know who this dealer is because I have friends who have had bad dealings as well with the person described here.