Big movers killing dressage star fantasies

I think that there are some big movers that are easier to sit than others. Sometimes it is based on how they use themselves and how “through” they really are.

At the moment I am riding two extremes; my KWPN gelding who is fairly green and a big mover, and then a PRE stallion who is smoother than butter and very well educated.

I like riding the stallion a few days a week because I can focus more on myself and get the feel of things on him since he has a lot more training. I can easily sit his extended trot, but I do feel it in my core! Most of the time I don’t post on this horse because he is so comfortable it is almost easier to sit. On my horse, I can post his trot just fine, even when it is extended but I feel like a hot mess sometimes when I sit his trot. I can sit his slow trot, but working trot and extended trot are a work in progress. It is getting better as I’ve been practicing more, and he’s getting more through, balanced, and true to the aids. He can really produce some power from his hind-end and just float. I watched a trainer ride him (she has MUCH longer legs than me) and she was able to really bring out his movement because she could wrap her long legs around him and sit deep. He can practically float over the ground at the trot and canter if done correctly. He gets a lot of “air time” if that makes sense. He does make you work for it a bit, and even the trainer was quite exhausted after riding him because it takes great strength to sit him while still keeping him forward, collected, and attentive. So, I felt better knowing I am not the only one that gets out of breath after schooling him :lol:

My gelding isn’t exactly ammy friendly for reasons other than his movement, but if I just look at his movement alone, I could see why it could kill someone’s fantasy of becoming an upper level dressage rider. It takes a lot of work, strength, and commitment to ride him. If someone went from the PRE horse I ride directly to my horse, they’d probably hate their life :winkgrin: However, if you take stepping stones to get there, it’s not so bad. I think that is the key. Take stepping stones, be willing to work, and do not go from a smooth low movement horse to a big mover and expect to be able to sit the same way overnight. I have had my husband lunge me on my horse so I could focus on just learning how to sit him and really use my seat. It was also easier because he is so good on the lunge and I didn’t have to worry about any shenanigans and could focus purely on riding the gait. I think that can help some riders because they can narrow in on riding the gait without worrying about steering and other things while the person on the ground coaches you along.

I’ve owned a big-moving Shire-TBx for 16 years and to be honest, most of that time has been spent learning to ride those gaits to (more of) their potential, instead of moving up the dressage levels. The horse is a cooperative, kind creature who thinks her primary job is making sure the rider stays on her back, and if the rider can’t ride the big gaits, she is more than happy to give them much smaller gaits. Less work for her, so win win from her point of view.

When I’ve ridden other people’s horses, I find it considerably easier. I’m thinking that when it comes time for another horse, I’ll look into Highlands or PREs. Something with smaller movement might even make more progress in its training (with me). Like it has been stated above, unless you want to compete internationally, you don’t need a yuuuge mover to progress up the levels.

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By Highlands do you mean Highlands pony, like this handsome guy?
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/297800594086321976/

Are you in the UK?

Yes, just like him. I live in Scotland, where they’re not hard to come by. They’re pretty, and like most British natives, can be awesome when you get them on side but don’t suffer fools. I see fields full of them when I go to the Highlands, as Highland ponies are the only things that can cope with the weather. Some of them are heavy and still bred to carry deer carcasses down from the hill, their traditional job, but as with a lot of breeds, they are also being bred as lighter and more athletic riding horses.

I’m also considering a native breed because my American horse that I brought over with me, in addition to her big movement, can be challenging to manage here, while a native, with more tolerance for the horizontal rain, the midges, the wind, and the clegg flies, would give me more boarding options.

I am a 68 year old advanced beginner dressage rider with the most likely “delusional” goal of achieving my bronze medal. I recently accomplished the agony of searching for a lower level dressage horse to get me there. I so admired the big movers, but I am not so delusional that I believed I could progress to sitting that trot. I bought a lovely Friesian cross with very nice gaits with just a bit of loft. Everyday I discover how hard it is to learn to ride dressage. Even though I have been taking lessons for a couple years I really did not have a full understanding of how complicated and intense full time training can be. Even if I never achieve the bronze; I know the journey will be one of the most satisfying goals of my life. Like life, Dressage is a Journey not a destination. Enjoy your journey wherever it takes you.

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That is so true! I truly believe the journey is the destination. It is a fascinating and challenging journey to be sure. And it is great to have those dressage super star fantasies along the way.

Others dream of meeting celebrities, becoming rich and famous, or receiving awards for heroic deeds - we dressage riders dream of riding stunning extensions, faultless tempi changes, and perfectly executed pirouettes (ok sometimes I also dream of becoming rich and famous …)

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Dreams are awesome, and I like to think that everyone can attain some proficiency if they work at it. BUT the best riders – the ones that can sit those big trots but also have the balance/strength/tact to influence them – are gifted athletes. When I talk to a pro I always ask what other sports they did as kids – I hear ballet, gymnastics, skiing, snowboarding, etc. They make it look so darn easy. I have a big horse who is a pretty big mover now, and I’m learning on him – but my goal is moving up the levels. I think a smaller horse, with good but comfy gaits, would serve me better. I’m 55 too.

It is almost a rite of passage that when you first sit on a GP schoolmaster (inside your head you are wondering where the hell the talent scouts are and how long it will take them to make you an offer? And whether you can have your own office in the Glock stable and will Eddy share the espresso machine??) but then you can’t get walk, trot or canter without going sideways at the same time. Then when you panic, and grip and slouch forward you suddenly find yourself doing one tempis backwards…you realize you aren’t all that and a bag of chips. Meanwhile your instructor is patiently waiting for you to take the bite of the reality sandwich and realize your next few lessons on Herr GP Pferd is going to be on…basics. Forward, straight and yada yada. It is a great learning experience and you get just enough bite of the cherry to be inspired to put in more time on the basics.

Other than that I think most people can ride the right big moving horse if they put their mind to it. The shape of the barrel of the horse can either compliment your own physical shape or work against it. If you want to badly enough you can learn. I’m tall and long legged and I found my huge moving TB who was slim and then pear shaped and then suddenly slim by my ankle…he was hard for me to keep me legs on softly and not block him by gripping to stay with him. Loosening up from the hip down helped that and a big leap of faith as well, that all would be well if I sat still and kept out of his way. A big honking WB who is just round all over is way easier for me. But you can make them all work if you want to. Just don’t go hitting the maximum revs until you can handle the slower gears. And add the big moves in increments so you aren’t tempted to grip with everything you’ve got.

I have a similar story. I had ridden up to advanced and did a CCI*** so I thought I was a pretty good rider. I was exercise riding for a very good dressage rider (ex olympian), and I was riding her grand prix dressage horse. First I couldn’t get him to go anywhere, all the kicking got him to move like 2 steps. I had to wear spurs to get him to even go forward, I couldn’t figure out why at the time (use more thigh less calf). When I finally got him going forward and well, the canter was another disaster. Tempi changes galore, I thought it was a blast because trying to get my eventer to do a flying lead change was like pulling teeth. However, even though I wanted him to stay on one lead, my hips shifted so much he thought that I wanted tempis. I finally discovered how to keep myself from shifting, but boy that was an eye opener (and pretty entertaining to watch). I have a 3 year old that i watch in the field and my thought is, boy do I need to start getting my core stronger. He has a huge trot, almost 16’2 and has a major attitude. Hey, riding is always a new experience everyday, there is always something new to learn.

:lol: exactly

Ah, you just brought back a fun memory. When I got back into riding after a long break, I rode a very well-trained school horse who was not a big mover, nor a star grand prix dressage horse, but who had great changes and a lovely canter.

The first time I got one accidentally (as you mentioned, because my hips were not yet coordinated and I was shifting) I was thrilled. Occasionally I would “off leash” during my lesson and when I was supposed to be doing a simple twenty meter canter circle would try to ask for a change and head off in the other direction and try to get a few more (with my instructor going “Hello? Come back! WHAT he h3ll you doing???”).

Lucky for me he had a good sense of humor but he did crack down and insist I not go awol mid lesson. In exchange, at the end of the lesson he let me do a pretend canter “victory lap” while I waved to the imaginary crowds with one hand.

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Timely thread yet again. The big moving warmblood in my last post has since been sold, and a PRE has just been purchased. :smiley:

I had a somewhat local BNT eyeing my horse for a little bit, and he finally made an offer I could not refuse. I liked the horse well enough, but I knew he could really meet his potential with a pro. I’ve taken a liking to the other PRE I ride and others at the barn, and I found one perfect for hacking, dressage, and maybe some jumping. Even though he is just turning 5, he will still be easier to ride than that big 8 year old WB. :lol:

I would have kept the WB just fine, but I’m also looking forward to comfortable hacks and less shenanigans.