Biotin - how much is too much?

My dtr’s horse has typical tb feet - not good. His feed have superficial cracks in each hoof, plus one crack that has been there for a while. None of the cracks are serious per both the farrier and the vet. Not a single day of lameness since we owned him, little more than a year. He is on Biotin Plus, 2 oz or 50mg biotin per day, plus a weekly coating of Tough Stuff. I am about to put him on Accel Vita-flex, mostly for the probiotics, but like having the vitamin supps, too. Accel has biotin at 8000 mcg per pound. I am not sure how to convert that, so I don’t know how much I am adding.

My concern is whether he is going to get “over dosed” on Biotin. Do I have a real concern, or it Biotin one of those products that goes to waste if it is in greater quantity than needed?

Member - Baby Greenie Support Group, HorseShowMom Clique, and Midwest Clique

I, too, love the Biotin Plus and I’m sure they made it smell like oatmeal cookies to keep us thinking we are doing something good for our horses.

My farrier has recommended supplementing with more methionine. I know there are different kinds and I have to plead ignorant on exactly which methionine I am using. Duh. I get it at the feed store, they sell it by the pound, it is white powder, (hope I don’t get stopped by the police on the way to the barn ). I feed a teaspoonful daily in addition to BP and other supplements.

I have read that in order for the biotin to be effective it needs menthionine. I think it is helping the quality of Bud’s hooves. 3 white socks, tend to get shelly and it is very dry everywhere around him.

“The older I get, the better I used to be, but who the heck cares!”

My dtr’s horse has typical tb feet - not good. His feed have superficial cracks in each hoof, plus one crack that has been there for a while. None of the cracks are serious per both the farrier and the vet. Not a single day of lameness since we owned him, little more than a year. He is on Biotin Plus, 2 oz or 50mg biotin per day, plus a weekly coating of Tough Stuff. I am about to put him on Accel Vita-flex, mostly for the probiotics, but like having the vitamin supps, too. Accel has biotin at 8000 mcg per pound. I am not sure how to convert that, so I don’t know how much I am adding.

My concern is whether he is going to get “over dosed” on Biotin. Do I have a real concern, or it Biotin one of those products that goes to waste if it is in greater quantity than needed?

Member - Baby Greenie Support Group, HorseShowMom Clique, and Midwest Clique

The Horse

An excerpt that answers your question:

<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Mind you, there’s still much we don’t understand. For instance, we’re still not entirely sure why biotin should need to be supplemented in horses at all. Many feeds, particularly growing forage plants (pasture), have what appears to be a more-than-adequate biotin content. On top of that, the helpful fiber-digesting bacteria in the equine cecum seem to manufacture enough B vitamins for all of a horse’s daily needs as part of their normal metabolism. There is some question as to how much of those B vitamins are absorbed by the horse; they are created in the large intestine, while the primary site of absorption of vitamins is back in the small intestine. Equine digestive systems being one-way, the nutrients generated by the gut microflora might pass through the horse’s system largely unused. No one is yet sure how much might be utilized.

Regardless, true biotin deficiencies have never been documented in horses except when they’ve been artificially induced (and that takes some doing). Feeding biotin at a level that has an impact on hoof growth is not really a matter of correcting a deficiency; it’s considerably over and above that. In essence, it’s taking a nutrient and feeding it at a level beyond normal requirements, at which it really becomes a therapeutic medication (the technical term is hyperalimentation). Fortunately, biotin, like all B vitamins, is water soluble, which means it is not stored in the horse’s tissues. The body uses what it needs on a daily basis, and excretes any extra in the urine. That means there’s very little chance of a horse developing a biotin toxicity, even when fed amounts many times greater than he needs for maintenance metabolism.

Why do some horses seem to need more than the maintenance amount of biotin? The jury’s still out on that question. It might be because those horses don’t absorb or utilize biotin as well as other horses, or they might simply have a higher requirement than horses with naturally good-quality hoof horn. But the fact remains that some horses with poor-quality hooves appear to respond positively to biotin supplementation. Not all do–and what separates the horses which respond from those which don’t is another mystery.

It’s worth noting, too, that there’s still a considerable amount of controversy over what constitutes the “optimum” level of biotin for good hoof growth. Because of its high safety margin, many supplement manufacturers have taken the “if some is good, more is better” approach. The truth is that no one really knows the best dosage. The best guess we have at this point is that horses might be able to utilize about 15 to 20 mg of full-activity biotin per day

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Feeding to Improve Feet

Equine Hoof, Coat & Nutrition

Superficial cracks don’t necessarily equate to bad feet. Where is the other crack, how big is it, is it horizontal or vertical, does it move? I sent you an e-mail a bit ago - what I put in there might help with this. As for the biotin - is the supp JUST biotin? Or are there other ingredients?

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Superficial cracks don’t necessarily equate to bad feet. Where is the other crack, how big is it, is it horizontal or vertical, does it move? I sent you an e-mail a bit ago - what I put in there might help with this. As for the biotin - is the supp JUST biotin? Or are there other ingredients?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The one bad crack is verticle and did not change size with the growth of the hoof until we changed to Biotin Plus (BP) from Better Hoof (more biotin per dose). The crack was fairly wide, but after starting the BP and Tough Stuff routine, it closed somewhat, then started to grow out with the hoof. I will look tonight to see if there is more than biotin in BP. When we got him last year, had several chips at the bottom of his hooves and had two (!) old abscess “holes”. These all grew out with the biotin. Since we started supplementing and giving regular hoof care, this does not happen much. His front feet are much worse than the back, and he went barefoot in the back last winter. I will check your email and respond from there. Thanks, JB.

Donna

Member - Baby Greenie Support Group, HorseShowMom Clique, and Midwest Clique

IME, Biotin Plus is the best biotin supplement on the market. And yes, it does contain other ingredients including, yucca, D. Cal. pantothenate, and l-methionine. I credit Biotin Plus with rapidly growing out the foundered, abcessed, and generally horrible TB feet on one of my rescue horses (after more then a year of severe malnutrition) to the point where he is sound (so long as he keeps his shoes on!).

dcm, you mention that you (recently?) switched to Biotin Plus from another product, so remember that it will take 6-9 months (at minimum) for the new hoof growth supplemented by the Biotin Plus to reach the ground. So, it may still be a while before those cracks can grow out. Last, for a crack to grow out and not return requires maintaining the hoof in balance, so frequent trimmings by a competent farrier are absolutely necessary.

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<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Serendipity:
dcm, you mention that you (recently?) switched to Biotin Plus from another product, so remember that it will take 6-9 months (at minimum) for the new hoof growth supplemented by the Biotin Plus to reach the ground. So, it may still be a while before those cracks can grow out. Last, for a crack to grow out and not return requires maintaining the hoof in balance, so frequent trimmings by a competent farrier are absolutely necessary.

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I really like BP, too. The change was approx last June…meaning about 4 or 5 months. The crack is not gone, but we have noticed it getting shorter. The old abscesses were growing out already, but the crack seemed to “grow” with the hoof. About 2 weeks after being on the BP, we noticed the crack did not look as wide, and now it is much shorter. The other “cracks” have all but disappeared. I like the way BP has taken care of Rio’s hooves and don’t want to drop it in favor of the Accel, plus it smells great, too. I am just concerned with O/D’ing my dtr’s soulmate with biotin. His feet are really good right now, and I want to keep them that way.

Thanks for the input. It is good to see that someone else likes Bioting Plus as much as I do. After seeing the improvement when we switched, I would recommend it to anyone.

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