Birdstone: Semi-Obvious Question

Flashback to March 2005 and the Birdstone fee:

Of the tens of millions of dollars that Ms. Whitney has donated to or raised for charity, much has been directed toward horse hospitals, equine research and efforts to save used-up racehorses from the slaughterhouse. She treats breeders and owners of more modest means as equals. She courts everyday racetrack patrons with playful banter, and for her highly anticipated entrances at her annual summer gala in Saratoga Springs, N.Y., Ms. Whitney has arrived in everything from a Model T to a hot-air balloon.

Ms. Whitney stayed true to her populist form when an ankle injury forced her beloved Birdstone into early retirement in the days after the Breeders’ Cup. She turned down multimillion-dollar offers from commercial breeders and decided to stand Birdstone as a stallion herself, just up the road from the C. V. Whitney Farm. She set a modest stud fee of $10,000 for each coupling with Birdstone.

“We don’t need the money,” she said. “And we wanted to make him affordable to breeders at all levels of the game.”

This June 8th Bloomberg article suggests the stud fee would “soar” - although its based upon nothing more then his recognition (and success) level going off the charts.

Birdstone’s $10,000 mating fee is now poised to jump at least four-fold next year, a surge that throws into question the industry’s preference for tall, powerful sires, according to Jim Squires, a Versailles, Kentucky-based breeder.

Michael Hernon, the director of sales at Lexington, Kentucky-based Gainesway Farm, which manages Birdstone’s stud career for Whitney, didn’t return a telephone call made to his office yesterday.

Hernon had declined to comment on a possible fee increase a day after the Kentucky Derby, saying in a telephone interview he didn’t want “rush into any numbers decisions.” The front page of Gainesway’s Web site says Birdstone is “booked full” for the 2009 breeding season. A stallion can be bred with 100 mares or more in a year.

Bill Oppenheim, a columnist for the Thoroughbred Daily News, estimates a $40,000-sire fee would push Birdstone’s value up to about $20 million. He said in an e-mail that the horse was probably worth about $2 million before the Derby.

Squires said he had tried to convince at least 10 friends and clients in recent years to breed a mare to Birdstone. Each time, he said, the answer was the same: “He’s too little.”

[Birdstone is 15.3]

That’ll change this September, when broodmare owners begin looking at stallions in Kentucky as they plan their 2010 season, Chace said. Birdstone will be the “premier stallion breeders will look at,” he said.

The stud has caught the eye of trainer Bob Baffert, who was denied a fourth Kentucky Derby victory when Mine That Bird ran down his horse, Pioneerof the Nile, on a sloppy Churchill Downs track on May 2.

Baffert said yesterday that he told his wife seconds after Summer Bird crossed the finish line in the Belmont Stakes that “we got to go buy some Birdstones.”

Another thing about Marylou and her unwavering love for Birdstone:

As a gelding, Mine That Bird can’t follow Birdstone’s success to the breeding shed, although Whitney and Hendrickson consider every achievement on the racetrack a tribute to their stallion. At midnight after the Derby, they left a dozen roses at Birdstone’s stall to salute him for the accomplishment.

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At midnight after the Derby, they left a dozen roses at Birdstone’s stall to salute him for the accomplishment.[/QUOTE]

Gawd, I love MLW. Love.

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Gawd, I love MLW. Love.[/QUOTE]

Ditto. Now that’s a class act.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601079&sid=aLqWBWbCya9Y

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http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601079&sid=aLqWBWbCya9Y[/QUOTE]

Article linked above in prior post :wink:

Sorry.

Saratogian June 9, 2009

John Hendrickson, citing statistics from the Blood-Horse magazine, notes this is the first time a first-crop sire has had two classic winners. They have kept the tradition of the famed “Whitney blood” alive and well in the 21st century.

When he entered stud at Gainesway Farm in 2005, Birdstone’s stud fee was priced at $10,000, the figure that remained for the breeding seasons of 2006-09.

To put this in perspective, Birdstone was priced at one-tenth the $100,000 fee of Smarty Jones, whom he defeated in the Belmont, and one-third the $30,000 fee of Lion Heart, whom he defeated in the Travers.

Hendrickson’s philosophy was to not discourage anyone from breeding to him; [b]he has not decided on a fee for the 2010 breeding season.

“We’re going to consider those people who went with us and remained loyal,” he said on Sunday afternoon. “But I’ll tell you this, I don’t think I have ever seen Marylou happier about anything than Birdstone doing this. I can’t tell you how much this means to her.”[/b]

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List of six figure stallions.

Galileo - Private, reportedly around €200k (~$275k)
Kingmambo - $250k
AP Indy - $250k
Monsun - Private, was €150k (~$220k) last year
Encosta de Lago - AUS$220k (~$175k)
Montjeu - Private, reportedly around €125k (~$175k)
Dynaformer - $150k
Smart Strike - $150k
Distorted Humor - $150k
Street Cry - $150k
Danehill Dancer - Private, reportedly around €100k (~$140k)
Unbridled’s Song - $125k
Giant’s Causeway - $125k
Awesome Again - $125k
Deep Impact - 12m Yen (~$125k)
Pivotal - GBP65k (~$100k)
Dansili - GBP65k (~$100k)

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Smarty Jones is private, but I thought he was at 100k

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Smarty Jones is private, but I thought he was at 100k[/QUOTE]

More like 10k.

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Smarty Jones is private, but I thought he was at 100k[/QUOTE]

Operative word: was

Rankings for second crop sires

Smarty is 15th
Birdstone 2nd

Ghostzapper - $125k

As an aside it was only yesterday - July 3, 2009 - that one of Smarty Jones’ offspring finally earned their first graded stakes win in the US. Ouch!

Backtalk won the Grade 3, $110,500 Bashford Manor Stakes

Backtalk rewarded his many backers and became the first North American graded stakes winner for his famous sire, Smarty Jones.

Looks like some are just raking in the $$$ on the success of this spring and why look who bought a son of “little Birdstone”: Sheik Mo!

BloodHorse 7-20-09 “Birdstone Colt Sold for $400,000 at FTK Sale”

Sheikh Mohammed’s agent, John Ferguson, went to $400,000 to acquire a son of Birdstone as the top-priced offering at the opening session of the Fasig-Tipton Kentucky July yearling sale in Lexington July 20.

Ferguson acknowledged that by having two classic winners this year, Birdstone’s value has gone way up from his $10,000 fee when his now yearling crop was conceived in 2007.

“Any sire who can produce those two horses you have to take seriously,” Ferguson said. “This was a very nice colt and Birdstone has blasted onto the sire scene with two classic winners. He is a sire who can do it. This was a very athletic horse so it made sense to follow through. He was a very balanced and correct horse.”

He said the price was in line with what he thought the colt would bring.

Birdstone’s fee will move from $10,000 to $30,000

Fee announced 11/13/09 for 2010 season

Perfectly reasonable and with his success in the shed a lot of other choices out there look silly with the rates.

I couldn’t resist bumping this thread up after five years upon hearing today’s news…

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/88687/gainesway-announces-2015-fees

I bet nobody in 2009 saw Birdstone’s fee reaching the astronomical price of… free. :lol:

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I couldn’t resist bumping this thread up after five years upon hearing today’s news…

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/88687/gainesway-announces-2015-fees

I bet nobody in 2009 saw Birdstone’s fee reaching the astronomical price of… free. :lol:[/QUOTE]

…I will not go hunting for mares with decent dams and second dams cheap, I will not go hunting…

Uh… wish I hadn’t seen this. My mare’s sire and dam were unraced, but she’s got three multiple graded stakes winners in her second generation.

It says, “…free to approved mares who have graded stakes earnings in first two generations of her family.” Sometimes that means female family, as in mare’s dam and dam’s dam. Is that how anyone else reads this?

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It says, “…free to approved mares who have graded stakes earnings in first two generations of her family.” Sometimes that means female family, as in mare’s dam and dam’s dam. Is that how anyone else reads this?[/QUOTE]

That’s exactly what it means-- first two generations of the dam line on her catalog page. :yes:

They are looking for graded earnings by the submitted broodmare herself or her offspring, the dam of the broodmare (2nd dam), the 2nd dam’s offspring, and/or possibly the 2nd dam’s siblings.

Stallions don’t count.