Bit placement in horse's mouth

I’ve been trying to work with some mouthiness issues with my sensitive mare. She likes to take the bit in her teeth and chomp it incessantly while i’m riding.

I started investigating inside her mouth, and noticed a few things:

1). She has very little space in her mouth…fat tongue and low palate.

2). When there are 2 wrinkles in the corners of her mouth, her bit is hitting her molars.

I dropped the bit down in her mouth so that it is about half way between her molars an her incisors, which seemed to help some. The bit is so low that there isn’t even a hint of a wrinkle in her lips.

I’ve never set a bit so low before…is this something anyone else has encountered?

Yes, I have a mare with the same kind of mouth and she wears a thin bit that sits low in her mouth. Works for us. :slight_smile:

Same here. :slight_smile: A lot of people think it’s weird but if it works for her, I figured, it’s her mouth.

The horses I ride seem content with no wrinkles.

No wrinkles reduces the possibility that the poll has a constant pull on it. The more wrinkles the stronger pull on the poll.

I listen to the horses. They can be quite eloquent about bits and bit placement!

The bit needs to be placed according to the teeth/jaw and not the lips.

As an aside:

My mare was a bad bit chomper. She also has a small mouth and fine bars. I kept trying fancy expensive bits, but then, on a bit of a whim, I tried a Mullen mouth out of curiosity, and it has been AMAZING. she can’t suck it back to chomp it, and so her jaw stays relaxed and her neck is longer. May want to try one just to break the cycle if she continues.

I actually JUST ordered a happy mouth mullen to see if she prefers it…i’m very excited to see what she thinks :smiley:

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The bit needs to be placed according to the teeth/jaw and not the lips.

As an aside:

My mare was a bad bit chomper. She also has a small mouth and fine bars. I kept trying fancy expensive bits, but then, on a bit of a whim, I tried a Mullen mouth out of curiosity, and it has been AMAZING. she can’t suck it back to chomp it, and so her jaw stays relaxed and her neck is longer. May want to try one just to break the cycle if she continues.[/QUOTE]

Mine thought a rubber mullen mouth was a chew toy, so I got a metal one. Took forever to find locally!

The wrinkle thing is sort of a guideline not an end all as you have figured out. I actually recommend a smaller diameter bit on a horse with the conformation you describe. While theoretically it is a “harsher” bit as it is smaller, it is amazing how much more comfortable these horses are just getting the bulk out of their mouths.

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My mare was a bad bit chomper. She also has a small mouth and fine bars. I kept trying fancy expensive bits, but then, on a bit of a whim, I tried a Mullen mouth out of curiosity, and it has been AMAZING. she can’t suck it back to chomp it, and so her jaw stays relaxed and her neck is longer. May want to try one just to break the cycle if she continues.[/QUOTE]

ooo!!! mine has the same mouth conformation and chomps, tenses, and makes unhappy faces w/ just about every bit I’ve tried! i have a mullen that I’m going to try when I get cleared for riding again. here’s hoping!!!

I tend to adhere to the thought that the busier the horse is in the mouth, the simpler the bits. So for very “chompy” horses, I start reducing the number of joints in the bit until I get to the mullen. Ime, mullens and single jointed bits tend to work better with these types. And, as others have said- smaller diameter for smaller mouths.

I stopped the wrinkle thing years ago when I decided that I wanted my horses to “hold” the bit where it was comfortable for them and not be pinched into it. I got a bit of flack at the time but it works for me and my horses.

This was one of the first big differences I noticed in switching from an English to a western barn. The western folks always had their bits lower in the horse’s mouth, never any wrinkles. It makes sense as in this barn (western pleasure show) the ultimate goal is for the horse to carry or pack the bit on his own. Lowering the bit allows more room for the horse to “take up the bit” with his or her tongue and “hold” it where they prefer. Wrinkles mean the bit is against the corners of the lips constantly, and is going to sit a certain way, and engage the lips, then tongue and bars when pulled. There certainly could be some horses who prefer that.

Prior to being at the western barn, I always just did whatever the current trainer’s preference was…one wrinkle, two wrinkles, didn’t seem to matter. But I did try lowering the bits in my horses’ mouths and they both do seem to prefer it.

My western pleasure trained paint horse currently goes in an eggbutt French link with a wide center link, placed pretty low in his mouth. He “carries” the link in his mouth and seems very happy in it. My TB likes his fat rubber d-ring single joint, and also prefers it to be low, but not as low as the paint. He has a low palate, small mouth and fat tongue and bars, so I have no idea why he likes such a fat bit. Sometimes they just don’t make sense.

We control so much of what the horse does…gait, pace, rhythm, tempo, speed, direction. We also use a noseband that may limit the horse’s ability to decide how to hold their jaw. Lowering the bit and allowing the horse to pick it up with the tongue and hold it where they deem comfortable seems like a good thing to do.

FWIW, I longed and long lined both of mine with the bit, and did some in hand work to observe at different heights, and it was pretty clear that both liked it lower. What I previously mistook as licking/chewing that might have seemed positive to some types of trainers was actually my horse trying to move or roll the bit to a more comfortable position.

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The bit needs to be placed according to the teeth/jaw and not the lips.

As an aside:

My mare was a bad bit chomper. She also has a small mouth and fine bars. I kept trying fancy expensive bits, but then, on a bit of a whim, I tried a Mullen mouth out of curiosity, and it has been AMAZING. she can’t suck it back to chomp it, and so her jaw stays relaxed and her neck is longer. May want to try one just to break the cycle if she continues.[/QUOTE]

Yep, same experience here. I eventually moved to a full cheek with drop noseband with similar results to the Mullen. It seemed as though once I broke the chomping habit I was able to move to the full cheek.