Bitless Bridle Recommendations?

So, my problem child older gelding seemed to be having a flare-up of his headshakers last week, but it has since become pretty clear that his issue is not that this go around. Typically with his headshakers, any time you ask for a “frame” (put in quotes because with his OA it’s a very very basic level frame) he’ll toss his nose up like something is zinging him, no matter what’s on his face-nose net, fly bonnet, bit/no bit etc. but this time his symptoms are presenting differently. He is only having issues cantering to the right, not to the left. He’ll throw his head up hard like he’s being zapped somewhere and then he’ll stop completely. He was also jumping hesitantly, overly round and then throwing his head up and stopping on landing. When I tried him in a hackamore rather than his Happy Mouth that he was using, there were no more problems and I was even able to successfully jump him.

So, while I wait on my vet to take a look at him I am looking into some sort of bitless bridle, but I’m not sure what our best choice is. We’ve tried a traditional hackamore as well as a “flower” hackamore that still had a couple of lower holes to put the reins through. The problem is I do need to use an opening rein on occasion, and when I do so the shank will start to flip up. With the flower hackamore, I can put the rein higher up to a different hole but the rein sits kind of awkwardly that way. He seems to do well with the teeny bit of leverage it provides though.

I’ve tried a sidepull/bitless bridle with him before, and he didn’t really respond to it whatsoever. It felt like the equivalent of when a horse is just really hard and unresponsive in the bridle. I rode him in a rope halter as well, but there wasn’t a great spot to put the reins through other than the loops on the bottom which also didn’t provide much steering.

Any thoughts or recommendations?? Please don’t hit me with training advice for getting him to bend more appropriately through my leg or anything like that-he is 18 and just comes out stiff and less responsive to the leg so occasionally it just really helps to gently guide his head around with opening reins a couple of times! We are certainly not aiming to go to Land Rover so I just live with a bit of incorrect riding with him at times to keep him happy.

You could try the Light Rider Bitless Bridle.https://www.lightriderbridle.com This bitless bridle is a modified Scawbrig.

It is my favorite bitless bridle of the over 6 types of bitless bridles I’ve used which include 3 types of cross-under bitless bridles, the LG bitless bridle which is like the flower hackamores, and my ancient Jumping Cavesson bitless bridle which is sort of a side-pull.

The big advantage of the Light Rider is that the release is instantaneous when I give with my hands or relax my fingers.

All the horses I introduced to this bridle have accepted it readily. My riding teacher also likes it.

Years ago I bought a Micklem for my horse who could be a headshaker while bridled, although not as radical as some. At every pause in work he was desperate to rub his face on his leg.

I put the Micklem on him and he stopped the headshaking and rubbing. That minute.

Each horse is different, of course.

ETA: The Micklem has a bitless configuration. I have used it for years. IMO there isn’t much difference between bitted and bitless. Although I don’t gallop, in case there is a difference at that level.

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I bought a bitless from QHP for like $100 new (came with rainbow sparkly brow and too!) that I like enough. It comes with a couple different options of “bitless styles” - side pull (reins attach to a ring on either side of the nose), or a Dr. cook style with the ropes that cross under the jaw, or you can take those ropes and cross them under the chin. There may be more ways to use I can’t remember. I thought it was a good value for a bridle that would let me try several different types of bitless setups without buying a bunch.

I do like the rope halter style bitless bridles and would like to replace my QHP with one from Black Diamond who makes excellent bridles.

Black Diamond Designs makes a GORGEOUS side pull:

She also makes a hackamore bridle if you have a hack you like. Smartpak also makes a convertible bridle that’s decent for the price, though the browband is short.

IIWM, I wouldn’t go out and buy a bridle just yet - if you can borrow something and see how he handles bitless, I would. Sometimes they realize the steering/brakes are different and get a wild hair after a few rides, sometimes the issue wasn’t the bit and pops back up. Hacks vs side pull vs rope halter vs cross under (hate those) can all elicit different results.

With all the kindness in the world, I’d think long and hard about whether it’s fair to ask this horse to jump and work like this when he’s clearly uncomfortable. And whether it’s safe for YOU. “Only to the right” and the jumping issues sounds like neck to me, or saddle maybe, but clearly something about the bit change helped that day (perhaps you were riding differently and letting him compensate?). Experimenting with bitless is definitely not a bad thing, but this sounds like classic neck/spine issues - “zingers” and “sometimes totally fine, sometimes He Just Can’t” are exactly how these issues tend to present.

I have a horse with neck issues and they really do seem entirely fine, and then something pops up that SEEMS to be related to XYZ one day and ABC the next. It’s not, it’s the spine issue - and now having had spine issues myself I understand how disconcerting and unpredictable the pain can be.

Just be careful! My neck horse went in a side pull for a while before it became clear that his issues were much larger than we thought. I think he liked the way I rode him in it (off contact, basically leg and some neck reining).

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Totally agree with you - this is the one with the mild neck OA. The only reason I’m thinking it isn’t his neck is because he’s been jumping great recently (2’3 and under) until this random issue popped up one day, and he’s always had issues cantering to the left rather than the right. The right lead has a really lovely transition from halt, walk, or trot but the left has been tougher for years now so it’s all just very odd. But everything with him is odd so I’m not ruling it out lol.

His appointment is today to check his teeth/jaw, neck and front feet. I’m hoping it’s some sort of tooth or jaw issue-in which case I’ll go to the bitless bridle. If it does seem to be the neck, then at this point he might just retire to hacking only since he’s always been fine for that, or I’ll try one last treatment before throwing in the towel.

Fingers crossed it’s something easily solvable and not the neck-but we shall see!

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If you need the opening rein action, I think a side pull may be your best/only? option. I have one for my youngster because I also need that opening rein at times. Your boy may just need practice in responding to it; mine also can be more “resistant” in it vs a bit, or just slower to respond, which I have to remind myself is because a bit puts more pressure on very sensitive areas so of course she’ll have faster reaction time to a bit, etc etc :slightly_smiling_face:

I have the Juniper side pull from Milestone Equestrian and have been very happy with it’s quality. It does fit large: my draft X always needs WB sized stuff but the bitless bridle fit her best in the horse size. There are size charts to show each piece length which is helpful.

Lumiere Equestrian just dropped a bitless range the other day and have some very nice looking ones!

Good luck at his appointment today. My experience with OA/CA is that headshaking can be one of the many symptoms of an active neck issue. Hope you can get to the bottom of it.

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These are 100% neck OA/CA symptoms. Please also have vet do a neuro check for your safety.

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My vet does a neuro check on him roughly every six months - the last one being just a couple of months ago. I always expect him to finally fail at each one and he always passes with flying colors, lol. He’s a weird one.

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This would concern me a great deal. Even to whether he should be ridden at all.

I get it that he probably doesn’t do it again right away, it isn’t stopping the ride altogether. Or you would be at a different place with your plans for him.

Your vet is seeing video of this? And similar behaviors?

These things don’t sound like bitting to me.

In addition to the other neck etc. suggestions, possibly an abcess up in his head or mouth somewhere. I’m sure the vet will check for soreness all around his head and jaw, as he works toward the neck.

This x100. Agree with all of it.

It is my opinion, formed and evolved over the years, that horses aren’t really all that ‘quirky’. They do have their own different personalities. But, the stuff they do is almost always in reaction to something. Internal or external. Especially the sudden stuff they do that is a change of demeanor from the instant before – they are reacting, not expressing personality, imo.

OP, if I had the situation that you have described, I wouldn’t be riding this horse. I do get it that it is hard to give up one’s invested work to date, give up the training schedule, give up continuing progress. Temporarily, hopefully.

Physical issues affecting a horse this much can be the eaters of dreams.

If this were my horse, there would be big question marks about his future. If these issues can’t be resolved, he’d be looking at a change in life direction. That may not include riding. Or, just lower-level riding that doesn’t lead to these behaviors – maybe quiet walk-trot, maybe children’s leadline if the weight of the rider matters. It’s heart-breaking, but it may be truth and reality.

Hoping the vet has some good answers for you – and your horse! Looking foward to your assessment of the vet visit. Appreciate you sharing this as a learning opportunity for the readers, as well as input and support for you.

You are clearly doing the best you can for this horse in a difficult situation. He is lucky to have an owner who cares for him and is going the distance to help him.

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To add - jumping specifically puts some incredible shock/torque/pressure on the spine and neck. Not to mention the risk of them landing and buckling - whether from a missed neuro “package” of info to the body or a zinger of pain. Even just 2’3" is enough of a hop to change the forces - especially if asking for a long spot or to dig themselves out of an awkward distance. Jumping is one of the most dangerous things we do with horses.

I’ve followed your journey OP, and I know you’re wanting to do what’s best! I just think that you should really discuss with your vet whether jumping this horse is wise - for him and for you.

Hopefully the vet visit brings some clarity! And definitely have them take a good look in the mouth - a friend’s pony had a rotted molar that was missed despite yearly floats. Surprised everyone!

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This thread is just for bitless bridle recs please :slight_smile: No disrespect meant and I do appreciate the concern! Just don’t want to turn this into another vet discussion. My vet knows him very very well and with this new development I am of course having him seen right away (well, as quickly as it could be scheduled) and discussing his future under saddle. We have had the discussion about whether he should retire a bunch of times, and up until this point, aside from gradually lowering his workload over the past year or two, vet doesn’t think he needs to fully retire yet. Maybe this time will be the time I make that decision but we’ll have to wait and see. Since this issue popped up the very first time while over a fence (and then continued after), I wanted to try the hackamore over fences too to see if we could replicate the problem at all since he was fine on the flat with it on, but he was fine for it and I haven’t jumped him since.

The bitless bridle is just for if the issue is head specific - ie, something wrong with a tooth or his jaw or something. He was actually going quite well before this issue popped up so suddenly-doing canter poles really well, pointing himself at the jumps, and his back was palpating better than it ever has before. So I have a little bit of hope that he’s not at the end of being ridden yet! But if he is, then fine! I’ll save a whole lot of money retiring him haha.

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Well, OP. :grin: This is COTH. You can try telling people what to post. And what not to post. But they will post what they want to, anyway. :smirk:

A first post asking only for bitless bridle recs would get just that. Some people might ask for more details, but details don’t have to be provided.

A first post with the level of detail you have offered, OP, is a discussion opener. That’s what COTH is, after all.

You may not value the rich experience base on this forum. But it’s the reason COTH is the knowledge and discussion base that it is. It’s the reason someone can get a range of recommendations for bitless bridles. And other opinions, if they put the information out there. :slight_smile:

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ride my one mare bitless cause she is the poster child for teeth issues and it prevents me from second guessing every time she twitches. Old style rawhide side pull worked well but it did start to rub. Tried a milestone sidepull, looked nice but the nose flipped up all the time no matter how I adjusted it and left me with nada. Currently in a flower hack and it seems to work well.

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Thank you! I think the flower hack may be the way to go if I have to get something, or I’ll look at the Black Diamond.

I like flower hacks! They give a bit more lateral control in a pinch than other styles.

I’ll say my neck horse HATED anything with leverage - I think his poll bothered him. So he went in a plain side pull while that adventure lasted. But he was/is well-schooled and could be ridden in a flat halter with just one “rein” clipped to the chin… I took the chance that if he really decided to unload me/leave town, I’d just have to bail and trust him to go back to the barn or stop and look at me like I’m an idiot (his usual). I wouldn’t have done it if I didn’t know him so well.

I rode my baby OTTB in the same side pull, a rope nose side pull, and a mechanical hack at various points while waiting to get his teeth done and trying to find a bit he liked. He is a really good baby and he was never dirty about it, but he VERY quickly realized he could overpower the bitless/me :joy:. I needed more lateral control than the mechanical offered (like I said, he came STRAIGHT off the track and we were riding in an open 7 acre field or on the trail), but none of the others I tried worked. He was very happy, but a bit of a bull to steer :woman_facepalming:t3:. FWIW he’s now in a Myler D level 1 and very content.

I’ve used several bitless combos over the years, including a Dr. Cook, Micklem (with and without the extra chin piece), star wheel hackamore, and short-shanked hackamore. My favorites, however, are these two:

Jumping hackamore https://www.bigdweb.com/tory-leather-jump-hackamore

Thinline EZ Harmony noseband https://www.ridingwarehouse.com/Thinline_EZ_Harmony_Bitless_Noseband_Bridle_Converter/descpage-THEB.html?color=BK

The Tory noseband has more bite if it’s needed, and the Thinline basically turns your bridle into a halter.

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will add I have seen two nasty wrecks from the cross under bitless bridles not releasing - seemed to get stuck and not slide even though the reins had been dropped.

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FEI rules seem to say that bitless or hackamore only on xc or in stadium is not allowed. Must be used with a bit. Has anyone tried this bridle?

https://www.ridingwarehouse.com/Schockemoehle_Equitus_Theta_Anatomic_3-in-1_Bridle/descpage-SETB.html?color=BR