Bitless Bridles

Curious, are there any bitless people here?

Idk, watching some pretty bad people ride lately, the h/j world has got me feeling down. So. Much. Yanking.

Kind of interested in seriously getting on the bitless bandwagon but idk what most hunter jumper people use besides hackamores. My 4yo is super easy and quiet and I ride her in halter/lead ropes and with just a neck rope all the time for fun. She is just as easy as she is with a bit and will go in a frame with just halter/lead ropes. I sort of feel like, if she is just as good without a bit, why risk hurting her mouth?

Any stories or suggestions?
Thanks!

You can ride a horse with a bit without causing any pain or discomfort (especially with all the millions of types, materials, sizes, etc). While the jumpers allow hackamores, you will not be able to show competitively in most disciplines (hunters, eq, dressage, etc) without using a bit.

How do you think people get their horse in a “frame” with a bit? Just pulling? A hackamore can cause just as much pain/discomfort on the nose of a horse if not used correctly.

PS. Its not just h/j who “yank”. Quarter horse and arabian people “see-saw” to get their horses heads down or behind the vertical even. Even some dressage people do it too (roll-kur).

I only show in the jumpers. I know everyone says that “there’s no such thing as a bad bit, only bad hands” but I’m starting to believe that that’s a load of bs and a comforting lie. Plus, if you slip and fall and hang on the reins too long accidentally, it hurts the horse, period the end. & this happens to everyone at some point. Regardless, if my horse doesn’t need it, why use it? Just because hey that’s what everyone does? I could probably just buy a fancy halter and ride her in that honestly lol.

I’m not looking to use a hackamore. I know that roundness comes from your leg.
I didn’t state that h/j people are the only people who yank. Lots of people yank. Lots of people suck. More people suck than don’t actually.

Also, I didn’t start this to have a debate about bits. My horse doesn’t need a bit so I don’t want to use one. I was just interested in seeing if there are any other bitless people out there who have cool bitless bridles.

The simplest bitless bridle is a sidepull, which is generally a Western piece of tack. It is basically just a noseband, but constructed to be more stable than most halters. it doesn’t have any more “bite” than a leather halter.

There are also patented bitless bridles that have straps that exert pressure on the poll or jaw. I don’t like them because they don’t release promptly, meaning your aids are always going to be fuzzy and wont’ reward with a proper release.

Then there is the mechanical hackamore. This is in fact a very very strong bit, and can be made even stronger if you use a chain instead of a chinstrap. I rode with one as a teen, my horse was very light in it, but you can also cause a lot of pain with one.

Finally, there is the Western rawhide bosal, which is a specialist piece of equipment used in training the vaquero-style horse.

I’ve used the hackamore riding western as a teen, and a sidepull on my current horse, who is trained English.

If your horse is light to the aids, you can use a bitless bridle lightly. If your horse is pulling and running through your hands, you can also use a bitless bridle very harshly. You can pull a horse’s head right around just riding in a halter, if you need to or want to. And you can ride around balanced on the horse’s face, too. But then you can ride in a bit lightly, with very little contact, the way that good western riders do.

One thing you can’t do in a bitless bridle is ride on contact in any meaningful way. You just have to have a slightly slack rein. There is no real context for contact. Basically despite using an English saddle, you are riding “Western,” that is off the seat, weight, and leg. That’s fine, but it also limits some of what you can school.

Thanks! Would you say that the side pull is most similar to a snaffle then? I currently ride her in a loose ring snaffle. Ive been riding her for about a year and even when she’s fresh she never gets strong I’ve never even almost had a control issue with her.
I’ve seen the Dr. Cook bridles they sound good in theory but the slow release is a deal breaker for me especially since my horse is so young and learning still.

I would think a jumping hackamore would be most similar to a snaffle in that there is no shank, so there is no leverage. It works over the nose, rather than lips/bars/tongue, obviously, but in the sense that it is direct pressure, it is similar to a snaffle bit.

Look up “Jumping Hackamore” and you should be able to just buy the noseband and pop it on your regular snaffle bridle.

I am relatively certain a jumping hackamore and a side pull are the same thing - but have mostly head of side pulls from the Western world, so could be I don’t know what I’m talking about.

As for whether they’re inherently kinder than bits… I guess that depends on the hand and the horse. My mare is very sensitive about nosebands. I have to be very careful about position and tightness - on her schooling bridle I just took the whole thing off. She would be very unhappy with any kind of hackamore - but by contrast absolutely loves her loose ring french link snaffle - foamy, soft, happy as a clam while riding in it.

A sharp yank on a strap across the nose is going to hurt, just like a sharp yank on a bit in the mouth is going to hurt.

Also, I’m not knowledgeable enough on bitless riding to definitively disagree with you on meaningful contact, but I don’t personally have that experience riding and jumping in halter/lead ropes and this story kind of makes me skeptical of that

http://www.chronofhorse.com/article/no-he-didnt-forget-his-bridle

I use/have used these:

http://www.bitlessbridle.com/

http://www.ttouch.com/shop/index.php?productID=235

And I also have a bosal/mecate for my mustang.

I’ve used a couple iterations of the Dr. Cooks - both the leather and the biothane. The leather does have a slower release that I didn’t like so I sold that one. The biothane is better at releasing. I’ve used them on many horses without issues.

But. You can’t have heavy hands with those, either, and there is a learning curve, just like with a bit on a horse, for you and the horse to understand what the aids mean. You don’t just slap it on and say “problem solved!” and go on your merry way.

I’ve done the jumping portions of eventing with the Dr. Cook’s. But of course you need a bit for dressage.

There is bad riding everywhere. Ride your own horse. You being a good rider with or without a bit doesn’t affect other people’s bad riding with or without a bit.

Whoops wrong place *

Some side pulls have more of a “bite” than others. A jumping hackamore like this: https://www.horseloverz.com/english-horse-tack/english-horse-bridles/bitless-bridles/exselle-elite-jumping-hackamore?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&scid=scplp15228476&sc_intid=200-497314&gclid=Cj0KEQjw6uO-BRDbzujwtuzAzfkBEiQAAnhJ0OvLYweKbvtI070MV4l6m_-ZQKMNtgZ7iaMAjbINusQaArgE8P8HAQ with a reinforced noseband is a little stronger than this: http://twohorsetack.com/p-108-sidepull-bitless-bridle-made-from-beta-biothane-solid-colored.aspx . Micklem also has two bitless options on their multi bridle sold in the US, and I’ve found them to be very mild.

My young morgan cross goes bitless, though I plan on introducing him to a soft rubber or leather bit sometime in the future. He’s just never needed more than bitless, and I’m not showing, so I’ve been taking his training very slowly. I don’t have a problem with using bits, and some horses I’ve ridden were very unhappy bitless. They felt insecure, or bored with nothing to play with. Others, particularly those formerly ridden by hard-handed riders, seemed to prefer having nothing in their mouths. IMO, it all depends on the individual horse, and if you’re showing, the regulations.

I ordered a Dr Cook’s from SmartPak yesterday. I am anxious to try it tomorrow. The horse I will be using it on has had his mouth checked, hocks done, adjusted and wears a correctly fitting Butet saddle, Thin Line pad, and no martingale. I ride with a loop in the rein as well…

His reaction to all the bits I have tried are the same. Myler D, rubber D, Myler full cheek, Happy Mouth, loose ring snaffle, etc (all very soft bits and I also wrapped the steel ones with elastikon) are the same. He is constantly chewing and wants to be behind the bit, and roots down at times as well. We are only walking and trotting at the moment.

I am hoping this will help. Something is definitely going on…

Interesting, thanks!
Yeah again since my horse is young I’d be hesitant to buy anything that doesn’t release quickly. I kind of like the looks of the side pulls

Also, it’s not just about other peoples’ riding.
She’s always good but a little chompy. She’s 4 and she had her teeth done probably like last november, everyone always tells me “babies should get their teeth done every 6 months”. I asked my trainer to put my horse on the list months ago because she seemed extra chompy but people told me I was just being neurotic and wouldn’t put her on the list. Made me wait until like last week even though the dentist has been there twice since I asked. Dentist came over to me and literally said, “this horse let you put a bridle on?!” and I was like “yeah…” and he said, “yeesh, whatever this horse does with her life… she’s a good kid”… I was pretty mad honestly (not at the dentist that was funny lol). My trainer thought it was funny when I told her that.

Anyway I’m feeling upset about it and again, she does all of her flatwork equally well in a halter and leadropes. I’ve had that experience with every horse I’ve tried it with thinking about it actually. Even my hot-head retired jumper mare who, due to previous owners, had an insanely hard mouth and everyone insisted she needed one of those bear trap looking hackabits to even be safe to jump. Just don’t really see the point if it’s unnecessary

I bought a bitless bridle from ‘advantage horsemanship’ - he has a tv program on rfd-tv and I saw it on there - I can ride my horses in a bit or bitless - I am currently using the bitless. I ride English - ring and trails. It is inexpensive and has good control if you were to need it. I’ve had it for about two yrs and really like it - I think the price was $30 something…did not come with reins.
I used a sidepull yrs ago and liked it also.

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Also, I’m not knowledgeable enough on bitless riding to definitively disagree with you on meaningful contact, but I don’t personally have that experience riding and jumping in halter/lead ropes and this story kind of makes me skeptical of that

http://www.chronofhorse.com/article/no-he-didnt-forget-his-bridle[/QUOTE]

You can ride on contact meaning light pressure on the horse’s nose, but it won’t be the same as having a horse with a developed mouth who will give you the jaw, soften the mouth, mouth the bit.

But if the horse is fussy in the bit, you won’t be getting meaningful contact with the bit anyhow.

I think going bitless is a great option for getting rid of the fuss factor with a horse that isn’t settling to the bit. You can go on and continue learning all kinds of things, and maybe further down the line re-introduce the bit, or not, depending on whether you need it for your work and discipline.

Man, OP, I wish you’d posted that “bear trap hackabit” thing while I was still blogging, it’s making me laugh and I would have found a way to work it into a post (with all credit due, of course).

I’ve heard a lot of positive feedback about the Dr. Cook’s setup…

I rode a horse after he broke his jaw in a Micklem combo bridle. He went exceptionally well in it, and if he had been my horse, I would have continued to ride him predominantly bitless, only using a snaffle for the dressage. He still went into the contact and rode very much like he did in a bridle (he was a teenager at that point, so a solid citizen).

The only thing with the Micklem is that I don’t think the actual show bridle allows for a bitless option. It would be nice if it did, as it has a few different options for the bitless set up.

A barnmate of mine has a huge WB jumper who is very sensitive about his face/bits when jumping. He’ll hack in whatever, but when jumping, he tends to root and pull if he has anything in his mouth. He was going well in a Nathe bit combined with a stronger noseband for some control, but he went really well yesterday in a Dr. Cook bitless bridle. He doesn’t have anything wrong with his mouth, and his rider has some of the most educated hands I’ve ever seen. It’s just his thing.

I used one once on a morgan x pony who had at some point in his life injured his facial bones and jaw causing his bite to be horrible. Any bit seemed to cause pain or the anticipation of pain. The one I used was a knock-off of the Dr. Cook bridle. He was very happy with it. The release was a little slow as some have mentioned but nothing that we could not work around. We did just pleasure ride so I can’t comment on how it would be for jumping.

I bought a bitless bridle similar to a Dr. Cooks thinking my tongue sticker outer OTTB would keep her tongue in with it. No such luck. I had my normal bridle in my saddle bag in case I had no brakes but did not need to use it. I don’t think it is as “precise” as a normal bridle but I think it could be OK for trail rides.