Blackfish

Who has seen it? What did you think? I’ll start.

I watched it twice.

One of the most fascinating, horrifying, frightening shows I’ve ever seen.

Fascinating: why those trainers ever got back in the water after all the “accidents”.

Horrifying: accident after accident, several fatalities and the fact that Sea World has done such a superb job of covering up and redirecting what actually happened.

Frightening: if we think horses are fast and powerful…An apex carnivore that weighs up to 10 ton, AND is crazy. shiver

also, just so readers know…

I have no problem with animals in captivity. IF we can take care of them but so many of the really big mammals and especially the aquatic ones have very specific requirements for keeping them healthy and sane that it does make me wonder if this is a good idea.

I am not an animal rights activist. I own my animals, they are personal property. I am, however, an animal welfare supporter. All captive animals, be it a dog or cat or horse or dolphin, need to have the very best care possible and they need to have their environ replicate as closely as possible to their natural habitat. That ain’t happening where we are at the moment in regards to large aquatic animals, including many of the sharks.

I saw it. I thought it was very interesting when they talked about the hierarchy of how they would live in the wild and can see how that would add to their frustration with captivity. Honestly, I have always found dolphin shows and even these killer whale shows cheesy and boring. Seeing them in the wild is magnificent though.

They should NOT be in captivity. They are such complex and intelligent animals. It is just cruel to keep them… I feel awful for them.

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They should NOT be in captivity. They are such complex and intelligent animals. It is just cruel to keep them… I feel awful for them.[/QUOTE]

This.

I also watched it twice, and found it fascinating! Totally agree these animals should not be kept in captivity.

Tilicum was just acting like a killer whale. It is actually surprising that more trainers aren’t killed, when you think about it.

I found what led up to the fatal attack on Dawn really interesting. Tilicum had evidently missed a signal, and went all the way around, doing the pectoral fin wave, and then wasn’t rewarded, when he thought he had done everything right and deserved to be rewarded. Talk about a sense of justice! The frustration built as he realized from the sound of the ice in the bucket that Dawn was running out of fish, and was giving out smaller rewards as time went on. Sounds like he became frustrated and angry, and directed it towards Dawn.

I was fortunate to have seen Orcas off the San Juan Islands, never knew they could have that flopped over dorsal fin, apparently the wild ones rarely develop that. I didn’t catch why so many of the captive ones develop that, does anybody know?

I don’t think they know for sure but would assume it is from the lack of being able to dive deeply and staying near the top all the time.

I remember reading once that back when whaling was going on in the area, Orcas learned to lead the whaling ships to whales, (and whaling ships’ captains learned to follow Orcas) and when the whale was caught they would eat some of it.

They are scarily sophisticated in their behavior.

I have in on Netflix order, it’s my next DVD!!! I’m excited to get it, I know a few people who highly recommend it. I’ll report back !

at least not right now. There is no need (as in preservation of the species), and although I think we can learn a lot in the wild, I think there are things you can observe being able to see them up close and every day. That said, I don’t think we have the ability to truly meet their needs in captivity, and it can cause a whole host of issues, like what was observed in the vid.

Tilicum was just acting like a killer whale. It is actually surprising that more trainers aren’t killed, when you think about it.

I think he was acting very abnormally, even in captivity. I think that food deprivation, social deprivation, inappropriate interspecies interactions and lack of other mental stimulation had a cumulative effect of making him a very dangerous animal that lacks inhibition in many areas.

I remember a study(?) of young bull elephants that were relocated at a young age to another park that had been w/o elephants for a long time. The park began to find rhinos dead here and there. Turns out that the social structure of the herd, especially where the older/larger/more dominant bulls were concerned acted as a safety net/behavior example to the young males and thus inhibited their interactions till they were psychologically old enough with enough experience to handle themselves appropriately.

it would not surprise me at all, if there was a similar behavior model within the orca social structure where young teenage-ish bulls were kicked to the outside of the pod and the larger, stronger males were the ones who dealt with them. If this is the case, Tilikum did not have that advantage and so did not learn any (or much) social inhibition.

I found what led up to the fatal attack on Dawn really interesting. Tilicum had evidently missed a signal, and went all the way around, doing the pectoral fin wave, and then wasn’t rewarded, when he thought he had done everything right and deserved to be rewarded. Talk about a sense of justice! The frustration built as he realized from the sound of the ice in the bucket that Dawn was running out of fish, and was giving out smaller rewards as time went on. Sounds like he became frustrated and angry, and directed it towards Dawn.

I don’t often feel like animals are vindictive, but in this case, it might have been appropriate and as his trainer, she should have seen that.

What I found so fascinating was that there were no lawsuits for the people so badly injured or killed. Must be that SW settled out of court and put a gag order in the settlement.

I was very very glad to see OSHA, step in and do something. I find it deeply disturbing that SW would/did not tell their novice trainers about how dangerous working with them is. I also think there will be no going back from this, the venue will have to change. Can you imagine having a child at the Dine With Shamu (which is where Dawn was killed) and witness that??? Horrifying.

did anyone else watch the commentary at the end? That was quite interesting as well.

I was fortunate to have seen Orcas off the San Juan Islands, never knew they could have that flopped over dorsal fin, apparently the wild ones rarely develop that. I didn’t catch why so many of the captive ones develop that, does anybody know?

no idea, but I am jealous you got to see them off the San Juan Islands.

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I have in on Netflix order, it’s my next DVD!!! I’m excited to get it, I know a few people who highly recommend it. I’ll report back ![/QUOTE]

Well, I just returned mine to Netflix, so it should be coming at you soon.

I watched it twice as well…so very sad. We’ve gotten so far past the point of keeping animals in tiny, cement enclosures with almost no stimulation, yet here is Sea World doing the same thing!

I think the proof that no human has ever been harmed “in the wild” by an orca certainly proves the point that captivity (done in a bad way) makes 'em nuts. I mean, you can’t say the same about lion, tigers, etc…they go after people in the wild fairly often.

I wish I could recall where I saw it, but there is a guy some where how has been swimming w/orcas for years and never been harmed.

I can tell you, if I was close, I’d be picketing Sea World…

I’ve read that the trainers carefully avoid any, training session is over’ signals because the whales or dolphins will become agitated in their attempts to not end the incoming food.

I haven’t heard of nor watched Blackfish. Now I want to.

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I’ve read that the trainers carefully avoid any, training session is over’ signals because the whales or dolphins will become agitated in their attempts to not end the incoming food.

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Bicoastal, if you are sensitive, don’t watch it. The movie is real. Real time, with footage of attacks and damage to people and whales. That was what made it good for me, but it might be too much for sensitive types.

Hey, I consider myself “sensitive”, but found it fascinating.

I think those of us who do consider ourselves sensitive, most want to be exposed to things that might be upsetting, but that we feel we need to know about.

I also watched it twice. It is both disturbing and fascinating. I certainly will never go to Seaworld again after seeing it.

A co-worker told me about it and we ended up discussing it at length after I watched. It really makes you think about many things - including humanity.

If you have Verizon FIOS you can watch it on demand. Just search the name and you can rent it from the CNN channel.

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I don’t think they know for sure but would assume it is from the lack of being able to dive deeply and staying near the top all the time.[/QUOTE]

Well the majority of the Orcas owned by Seaworld and their affliates are related to Tilikum in some way, and this genetic defect was passed on. The fact that they continued to breed Tilikum is shameful and disgusting. Based on how he was treated at the Canadian park after he was first captured, the poor animal never had a chance to be “normal”.

And then there was also the fact that he killed someone! :mad: Both Sea Land and Seaworld did an excellent job of covering up the fact that he drowned a teenage girl. And what’s even worse is that the Seaworld trainers who were now training and in the water with him had no idea. The whole thing was a disaster waiting to happen - and it did!

IMO they should have destroyed him. Once he knew what he could do there was no way for anyone to be safe around him. And I can’t say I blame him. :frowning:

  1. is it a defect?

  2. is it genetic?

And then there was also the fact that he killed someone! :mad: Both Sea Land and Seaworld did an excellent job of covering up the fact that he drowned a teenage girl. And what’s even worse is that the Seaworld trainers who were now training and in the water with him had no idea. The whole thing was a disaster waiting to happen - and it did!

I found the coverups completely horrifying. They were totally irresponsible with that, and they HAD to know that at some point, all of this would come spilling out of their pandoras box.

I watched it, was horrified and saddened - I knew keeping Orcas captive wasn’t good, this just pounded the point home. IMO after watching it, Orcas have no place being kept captive, and breaking up their family groups like that is just inhumane. They cannot live a normal, natural life in captivity.

I do not believe they ever mentioned Tilikum had any sort of defect, I think he is just done with his circumstances. I also don’t believe you should euthanize the whale, it isn’t his fault people did this to him. Would you euthanize a horse that someone fell off of and died due to no fault of the horse other than the person took the inherent risk getting on a 1200lb animal? These people should assume risk getting into a pool with a 2-ton wild animal.

Keiko (Free Willy) was returned to the wild after many years in captivity and survived for a bit of time, I don’t see why they can’t do this with Tilikum, especially knowing where he was captured. They also state in the movie how each Orca family has different languages, I was wondering watching it if they could ever find Tilikum’s pod based on vocal sound waves.

I’ve also watched it a couple of times. FYI, it’s been on CNN at night on the weekends recently.

The whole thing is horrifyingly fascinating. I feel so sorry for the Orcas, especially the females who have had babies and had them taken away. Having them in captivity is bad enough, but when you know how their entire social structure works, and that whole families stay together in one pod for their lifetimes, those poor whales having calves in small pools and then having them taken away across the country when they’re only a couple of years old…:frowning: :sadsmile:.

I also don’t plan on going back to Sea World.

And Sea World is trying to get the court system to lift the OSHA ban on not allowing trainers in the water. Sea World wants them back in with the whales. There was just a story on the news in the last week or so. The whole thing just seems like a huge liability to me…if (or likely when) another trainer is hurt or killed, they would be opening themselves to a huge lawsuit, IMO. Unless they just don’t care or they’re betting on all the $$ from people paying for the shows to outweigh the cost of a settlement or judgement? Ridiculous.

I also read somewhere that they have some idea to put a false bottom in the pools that could be raised if a whale tried to kill/drag someone to the bottom again. Which might not be a bad idea, but I can see a whole lot of injury being caused even if the whale is able to be raised out of the water.

How I looked at the whole thing with Tili, they are dealing with a stud animal. So it would be like going into HIS pasture with a trained stallion putting him through some very space invading tricks hoping everyday this was NOT the day for him to get a wild hair. Only Tili is a predator not a prey animal. Not rocket surgery here. Poor animal.