Blue Roan Paints

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So this may be a silly question but how do you get a blue roan? I have a bay roan (?) TB/Connemara. What could she produce?[/QUOTE]

Since you have the Roan in the pictures, that gives you at least a 50/50 shot at getting Roan. If the stallion is also Roan, it increases to 75%. There are some lines that have produced homozygous Roans (ie the Hancock line) which would, obviously, guarantee Roan.

Getting the “blue” (which is really black) roan is harder. Since you have bay, you’re already at, at most, a 50/50 shot of a black horse. If your mare is homozygous for “bay” (ie homozygous Agouti) then she can never produce a black horse, so no black roan.

As of now, a bay roan can produce anything except for a double dilute. She can contribute to black, bay, or chestnut (assuming her genetics are right), and to Roan in any of those colors. Everything else is up to the stallion.

Whether or not she is not able to produce a certain color will depend on her. If she’s homozygous black, she can never produce anything red-based. Homzoygous Agouti means nothing black (or variations thereof)

Maude had 2 foals, both fillys. The filly she had in the Netherlands as a 4 year old was chestnut, by Amsterdam who is a chestnut. My homebred Coinin is all bay. Sir Sinclair only throws bays with little or no white unless bred to a gray that passes its gray gene. I could have had a bay or bay roan. I wanted a roan, but obviously got a bay (think I’ll keep her :slight_smile: ). Maude was a difficult case as far as breeding and if she were to ever produce another foal it would have to be via ET or oocite transfer. She is now 19 and even if she could carry another foal to term I wouldn’t risk it. Unfortunately, I can’t afford to do either or there would be more little Maudes around. Maude’s dam is “gray born bay” on her papers, but in actuality she would have been a roan which the gray masked. Maude (Limaude II) is the 13th and last foal out of Limaude who had all fillys. There was 1 or 2 other roans out of those 13. My Maude’s sire is Cabochon who was a chestnut. Very complicated. That said, I would love a blue roan. I drool over the Hancocks and Valentines.

Just thought of this thread when I was on this page…

http://www.bedonna.com/2011Foals.htm

There is a cute Blue Roan Tobiano for sale if you scroll down

There’s a blue roan mare on CL here in the Seattle area. Just saw this, don’t have any association with the mare.

http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/grd/2822870304.html

She looks like a sweety.

the OP wants a blue roan tobiano though…

I’d LOVE to have a roan broodmare like Maude. I admit to being seriously jealous! :smiley: Such a pity she’s not had more foals.

We have a bay roan pinto stallion here in NZ. He is a mix of TB and stationbred (a type of horse developed over 1.5 centuries for working the large hilly sheep farms), he has no QH. He’s built for eventing and I’m very tempted to use him, but I’d much rather have a roan from a well-known sport horse registry…

How common is roan in the sport horse registries?

Kerole, Thanks for your nice words. You are welcome to get a foal from Maude if you pay her expenses. Of course it would have to be ET or Oocite transfer. :slight_smile: And, NZ is a long way from Pennsylvania. I have never seen another roan warmblood. Maude’s coloring is beautiful and she is an outstanding representative of her KWPN bloodlines. When I got her she had a Ster Predicate awarded in Holland. She earned her Sport Predicate and Keur Predicate in the US. She is retired from dressage now due to an injury, but competed to PSG. I finished my Silver Medal on her. I’m hoping to dust off the cobwebs abd take her “cow sorting” next weekend. :slight_smile:

Way old reply

omg I am so sorry to everyone! I guess I never looked back to check the replies on here - I wasn’t quite sure how to use it back then.

You were right - as 4 years have gone by I can say he’s probably more of a bay roan paint. I had his DNA tested with the Texas A&M program and they came back with the following breeds:
-quarter horse
-arab
-western european warmblood

Photo of my horse that I was inquiring about:
https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtp1/t31.0-8/10668950_10101011902745977_5623635656793785278_o.jpg

I was looking for possible similar breeding in the future and also finding out his history. Unfortunately the people I bought him from had no idea on his history. If that is true or not I don’t know but he had no papers, etc.

Beautiful! Bay for sure.

He’s also not roan, sorry :slight_smile: He’s got a heavy case of either Sabino and/or Rabicano roaning. Rabicano can do significant roaning through the barrel, then it stops in the shoulder area, as here. A true roan with that much roaning in his barrel would be roaned to his head as well.