Bob And Debbie McDonald Face Civil Lawsuit From Alleged Victims Of Child Sex Abuse

Bolding above is mine. I would say they both violated (a) by saying he was cleared of all wrongdoing.

I would call the disgusting attack on their anonymity a violation of © and and (d) as going by Jane Doe is allowed by the process and attacking them for doing so is a violation of © and (d).

I would also say that that attack on their anonymity is an attempt and/or veiled threat of a violation of (e).

All of which, taken together, would say to me that they should both at least be suspended (him, re-suspended) for SS Code violations alone.

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And, yet another SS Code principle violated by threatening the anonymity of the Claimants:

  1. Retaliation
    Retaliation against anyone for engaging in the
    Center’s processes is prohibited.
    A Participant, someone acting on behalf of a
    Participant, an NGB, LAO, the USOPC or any
    organization under the Center’s jurisdiction shall not
    take an adverse action against any person for making
    a good faith report of a possible Code violation to the
    Center or other relevant organization as identified
    herein or for participating in any process under this
    Code.
    Retaliation includes threatening, intimidating,
    harassing, coercing or any other conduct that would
    discourage a reasonable person from engaging or
    participating in the Center’s processes when the action is reasonably related to the report or
    engagement with the Center. Retaliation may be
    present even where there is a finding that no
    violation occurred.
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How does the statement by the McDonalds “threaten the anonymity” of the accusers? They obviously know the identity of the two JDs and have not revealed their identity or threatened to do so.

In the statement they say that they find it “upsetting” that the accusers are tarnishing their public reputations while remaining anonymous themselves. Griping that the accusers are making accusations from a position of anonymity is not the same thing as violating their anonymity.

What bothers me in terms of violation of confidentiality and anonymity is the leaking of a bunch of confidential SS documents to the press. The safe sport process is supposed to be confidential in order to protect not just the reporters but also the respondent- McDonald.

When the SS spokesman corrected BM on the claim that he had been cleared, I thought that was necessary and not disclosing any of the guts of the investigation - just clarifying that administrative closure is not exoneration. However, turning over a bunch of should-be confidential documents to the press is a clear violation of confidentiality.

I really, really hope that it was one or both of the JDs who leaked the documents, and not SS itself. I trust that SS has a good case and could win in arbitration if the JDs participate, but if SS violated confidentiality by leaking the documents, would that weaken their case?

I suspect it was the JDs who leaked the “confidential” documents. By disclosing one girl’s initials, plus her birth year, plus the time interval she trained with BM, that would probably identify her to other people training with BM at the time. Whoever leaked the SS documents is the person who threatened the anonymity of the JDs.

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Clearly someone violated provision 17 (g) by handing over confidential details of the investigation to the OC Register reporter. I doubt it was McDonald, and I hope it wasn’t SS itself.

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In their statement, Bob and Debbie say “It is upsetting that these ladies hide behind Jane Does…”.
They make no demand to publicly reveal identities, and make no threats against the plaintiffs.
The plaintiffs have the right to remain anonymous, and choose to do so.
The McDonalds have the right to say that’s upsetting to them.

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I find it to be a strange thing to proclaim. Knowing that they were minors at the time of the reported incident, knowing that SS allows them to remain anonymous, why make one of your hills be ‘it is not fair that their names are not out there’.

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Because it’s your only hill? Because you can’t start a whisper campaign or social media hate campaign about people whose anonymity is court protected?

As far as the Jane Does releasing details of their case, they don’t lose that right just because it initially went to SS. Now that they are filing a civil suit all that information will potentially be made public unless they end the suit with an out of court settlement and a nondisclosure agreement. Unless you sign a nondisclosure agreement victims are always free to give their side of the story. Of course in some cases people prefer to be discrete and not want to discuss things publicly before the court date.

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Debbie McDonald is a good technical coach, and I’m sorry to lose her from the high performance program. I’ve watched her teach and was impressed not realizing who she was, not expecting she was at the particular location/venue where I saw her. She had earlier stated in public that she wanted to travel less, which is another reason why renewing that contract might not be the best idea given the 2022 competition schedule.

But, part of being a good coach is keeping your students safe. I was impressed by her ability to do so when her rider was on a horse and beyond arms’ length. If she cannot also do that for her students off a horse then we will have to hope she has been an effective enough teacher to convey these skills to students who are in a better place to provide the whole coaching picture. She is a good technical coach, but she is not the only person with those skills, and I am confident a quality replacement can be found.

I would not hold her responsible for Bob McDonald’s actions, but if she is acting to interfere in measures to properly investigate and regulate his conduct, then those are her actions, not his.

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You said it well. I don’t know enough to know her involvement or not in it all. I don’t make assumptions from a statement likely written by someone who does that sort of a thing for a living. I felt she was an excellent instructor for riding as well. And also feel if in any way she was enabling or obstructing investigation that removing her from the role is a moral obligation. Not that I think these organizations care about morals, or there wouldn’t be such a long history of abuse coming to light.

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Someone gave the reporter a picture of JD’s horse, with RMD riding it, and named said horse. Surely if you wanted to stay anon - or to keep the victims’ identity anon (if SS leaked the picture) - you wouldn’t give a photo of your/their horse to the press.

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I think their statement pushed right up to the line of SafeSport code. That would be one thing if the McDonalds were just big name trainers… the comments would have been cringey, but they have a right to express their personal opinions.

But Debbie was the technical adviser to the team. She had a major USEF position. So I think it’s a bit of a different matter for her to have gone forward and declared that 2 alleged victims of childhood sexual abuse are “hiding” behind anonymous pseudonyms.

USEF is currently in the midst of litigation involving George Morris and Jimmy Williams victims. They can’t afford to have individuals in prominent roles (such as Debbie’s former role) making statements that are so openly hostile towards alleged victims of childhood sexual abuse.

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There is a difference between being known to the accused and possibly to other people in your immediate circle, versus having your name forever googleable for all to see, and I assume that’s the line these women are walking right now.

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Responses in-line

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Well done.

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I am continually astounded at people who brush right by clear and egregious violations by people in power positions and instead try to deflect attention to another related issue.

Anyone not bothered by the McDonald’s public statements needs to know that that means they are not bothered by SS Code violations committed by USEF members and officials. And that speaks volumes.

Anyone here who is a member of an organisation through which they must abide by SS Code, feel free to take this breakdown and send it to SS and the USEF. PM me and I’ll even polish it up for you.

It’s :face_with_symbols_over_mouth: outrageous that these two are carrying on like this, in print, in public and nothing is being done about it.

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it may take the completion of the civil case before SS and USEF comes in and completes the job. DMcD contract not renewed. Step one

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Right, however, we have two issues here. 1. The case against the McDonalds (SS and civil); and 2. The fact that the McDonalds have clearly committed several violations of SS Code.

Sanctions for 2. do not need to wait for the resolution of 1.

  1. is a stand-alone sanctionable offense and should be addressed now. Actually, Bob should have been sanctioned for his first false statement. They both should now be sanctioned for multiple SS Code violations. Those sanctions can be handed down independently of the status of either of the cases in 1.

But, agreed, it’s good they did not renew her contract. That is a positive step one.

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I just don’t agree that the McDonalds reporting that they are “upset” to have detailed, horrifying allegations leaked to the press while their accusers remain anonymous amounts to “an attack”, or “harassment”, or disclosure of the claimants identity.

The bigger issue to me is that someone, we don’t know who, leaked confidential SS documents to the press. Do you disagree with my statement that doing that is a clear violation of 17 (g)?

My point was that: the confidentiality of the SS investigation has been broken, and I think that is a far bigger deal than the McDonalds reporting that they were “upset” by the plaintiffs hiding behind Jane Doe names in the civil suit. For two reasons: if SS or the reporters violated confidentiality, that may make it more difficult or impossible for SS to win in arbitration if SS tries to reinstate the ban. Can SS win in arbitration if it has violated its own rules? Second, it was the detailed information from the leaked SS documents (the girl’s initials, year of birth, time interval training with BM, even her horse’s name) that has threatened their anonymity.

It was suggested that the reporters decided not to participate in the original arbitration because they thought it might interfere with a civil action. Perhaps they are prioritizing their civil case and don’t mind jeopardizing the SS case, and for that reason decided that they were not going to abide by the confidentiality rule (17 g).

I don’t know who leaked the documents. I don’t think it would be SS because it would damage their credibility in general as well as jeopardize any remaining case against McDonald. I suspect it was the JDs themselves, but of course I don’t know.

So who do you think leaked the “confidential” SS documents?

BTW. I think inserting the statement about being “upset” by the anonymity was a bad move strategically. It accomplished nothing, and created more animosity toward them.

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Look at her position within the organisation. No one can make public statements harassing the Claimants, but CERTAINLY not a USEF official.

It’s not just griping when it (i) is prohibited by SS Code, and (ii) comes from a member in a position of power. She has the obligation as a member to abide strictly by SS Code.

She did not.

She has an enhanced obligation as a USEF employee in a powerful position to avoid even the appearance of harassing, intimidating, or threatening the Jane Does or of violating SS Code.

She failed to fulfill that obligation as well.

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Ding ding ding. This.

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