Bob And Debbie McDonald Face Civil Lawsuit From Alleged Victims Of Child Sex Abuse

Had it? I didn’t see that anywhere. I only saw that it will not be renewed. Renewal discussions typically happen before expiration or there would be nothing to renew, it would be a new contract once it had expired. Also, was she not still in that position when they made the first “completely cleared of all charges” false statement to which she signed on? I understood she was b/c there was then discussion about whether that status would or should change.

However, I don’t think this point matters. I don’t know the ins and outs of the various positions, but a quick google gave me this about her position: U.S. Equestrian Federation’s Developing Dressage Coach, a role designed to identify and cultivate future US Dressage stars.

So she has had a role since 2010 at a very high level in the organisation and that role was to identify and bring along “future stars” at least some of whom would have been young. That’s a position of power.

Just b/c her current contract had recently expired does not mean she suddenly (i) should no longer abide by the obligation of her membership to comply with SS Code, and/or (ii) is no longer associated with her former, long-held role of a leader in the organisation.

To suggest the expiration of her contract means she can now violate SS Code is absurd without consequences is absurd. To suggest that a highly-placed individual should suddenly no longer have any expectations inherent in that role b/c her current contract expired (and before the suit may very well have been expected to be renewed) is also ridiculous. For years she was a highly-placed coach for the national team. The expiration of one contract does not remove all association with that position and that organisation.

And unless she recently resigned her membership in the USEF, she is bound to abide by SS Code and she is demonstrably and repeatedly NOT DOING SO.

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To FitzE: USEF told Dressage News that Debbie’s “contract with USEF had expired and will not be renewed at this time.” https://dressage-news.com/2021/12/01/us-federation-not-to-renew-debbie-mcdonald-as-usa-dressage-coach/

I brought up her employment status because of the reaction to the McDonald’s most recent statement about being upset that the accusers were remaining anonymous. Someone posted that as a USEF employee, Debbie’s words may be a violation of SS. Apparently she was not an employee at the time their statement was published.

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I posted that as a member, it would be a violation. As an employee, she had an enhanced duty. If she wasn’t at the time of either statement an employee (and I believe she was at the time of the first false statement), then she still had the obligation of a member but, arguably, not the enhanced obligation of an employee/official.

However, as someone so recently in a powerful position in the hierarchy of the organisation, she (at least one would hope) was well aware of what her obligations with respect to SS Code were based on her membership and long-standing former position.

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Did you read the OC article? The article said it was based on over 100 “confidential” SS documents, including the decision, investigative reports, emails, and affidavits submitted by Bob and at least one witness of his. There is no dispute those listed items are confidential, the article brags about it.

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If you look back at your posts about the McDonald’s 2nd statement, you refer to her as an USEF employee::

“Look at her position within the organisation. No one can make public statements harassing the Claimants, but CERTAINLY not a USEF official…She has an enhanced obligation as a USEF employee in a powerful position to avoid even the appearance of harassing, intimidating, or threatening the Jane Does or of violating SS Code.”

Again, in their 2nd statement, the McDonald’s make no threatening nor intimidating comments about the accusers, nor do they demand that their names be revealed.

As a USEF member Debbie has an obligation to follow the SS code, but as we all know from our own lives, obligations aren’t always fullfilled.

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Again, I said I thought she was as her contract renewal was just denied so that suggests to me an active contract that, you know, had come up for renewal before the end of the current terms as contracts do. Renewal clauses generally kick in with a minimum of one-months notice for either party to decline renewal. I’ve never heard of failure to enter into a new contract after the old one has expires being call “renewal”.

It doesn’t really matter, though. Unless she also resigned her membership before those statements, she violated SS Code. And as a long-term member and previously long-term employee she knows or should have known she couldn’t publicly have a go at the JDs w/o violating SS Code. It’s not difficult to sort that out with the plain language drafting of the Code.

Are you seriously putting forth here that it is okay that Bob made a patently and provably false statement that does, in fact, disparage the JDs (that he was cleared and the charges were untrue) and for Debbie to have signed onto that? Was she still in her position at the time of that first statemet? I don’t know and googling hasn’t answered that question for me, so that’s an honest question for folks who are more knowledgable about the dressage world.

Are you also saying that it’s okay for any member to violate SS Code by calling out the JDs for availing themselves of their right to request anonymity under the SS Code? Please see my breakdown above about how it’s really straightforward that they both violated SS Code with their statements.

Or, explain to me how the statements don’t violate the sections I quoted above, because just saying they don’t is not persuasive. I walked through the Code and identified violations. What is the support for you contention that they do not?

I think it’s disgusting behaviour that they would address the JDs in a negative light in any manner publicly on top of it being a violation of SS Code.

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Perhaps there is a technicality involved here. As of yet the S.S. case against the McDonalds has not been re-opened.

Wouldn’t a violation of the S.S. code by the McDonalds need to be reported to S.S. by an official or a member of USEF?

God knows USEF has their hands full with the Fellers and other miscreants, and S.S. is very busy handling their active cases.

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anyone can report any time

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Exactly. Safe Sport doesn’t have an open case but if someone is violating the rules it will probably need reporting to get Safe Sport’s attention (and it probably won’t be USEF officials who do it) it would take a USEF member sending a screen shot of the alleged violation .

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that is right . Could it qualify as a stand alone case in itself?

I have no idea. That would be for Safe Sport to know.

This popped up today: https://dressage-news.com/2022/01/26/canadian-olympic-riders-megan-lane-belinda-trussell-coached-by-former-successful-usa-team-coach-debbie-mcdonald/?fbclid=IwAR13ss-aRjaDj0sdWzLU5m7BGX3TVtkEI7BPCm5KW471tThylBjUwxI5HWE

No mention of the reasons why her contact wasn’t renewed.

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Moral bankruptcy for the win! Disgusting what people will do for a scrap of ribbon or a medal.

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They have to be aware of the SS investigation and ongoing suit, right?

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Oh my… I was actually a huge fan of Adrienne/Salvino. To find out that she has been working with Debbie and keeps training with her makes me sad…

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The safe sport investigation is against Bob McDonald, not Debbie. The pending civil suit is against both.

Debbie McDonald was the US dressage coach during the first and only US Olympic team silver medal in dressage.

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Adrienne Lyle has been a student of Debbie McDonald’s for a long time, dating from before Debbie was the team coach. Salvino may be a great horse, but he was put on the Olympic team based on just a few competitions after coming back from an injury.

I watched a couple of the qualifying events, and thought Adrienne/Salvino made the team partly through favoritism by Debbie as team coach. Then in the Olympics, not surprisingly, Salvino was the weakest of the three US horses, and was withdrawn.

Debbie is not banned or suspended by SafeSport. She is being sued by women allegedly abused by Bob McDonald for abuse that allegedly occurred when Debbie was only a couple of years older than the victims.

Virginia Guiffre is apparently accused of playing a role in the recruitment of additional, younger women in the Epstein scandal. That may be why she was not called as a witness in the Maxwell trial. If Guiffre was a victim of Epstein/Maxwell, does her alleged participation in the procurement pipeline while she was being victimized herself negate her status as victim? I don’t think so.

BTW, I think Prince Andrew is trying to make that argument in his defense - that Guiffre participated in the illegal procurement of other trafficked girls, and therefore as someone involved in the trafficking, does not have a basis to sue as a victim.

I just don’t see the demonization of Debbie McDonald as a black and white kind of thing.

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I don’t see it as demonization. She has publicly stood by and defended him.

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Morals out the window for clout and prizes

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