It would be interesting to find out why the two Canadian riders in question parted very suddenly with their previous coach, Christilot Boylen, some time ago.
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100% this. Iâm not âdemonizingâ her for what her husband did. She has to answer for what SHE HERSELF did around and with respect to what her husband did. And Iâm not talking about when she was younger, but in the last couple years since this came out. She as an adult, a member, and someone with a position of authority, she failed to follow her SS training, failed to report what Bob was doing, and compounded it all with what she said in her support statements.
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Thanks @CurrentlyHorseless for the in-depth explanation.
Iâm not from the US, so I have no insight into who-trains-with-who and who-belongs-to-which-clique.
All I knew of Adrienne/Salvino was that I liked their performaces that Iâve seen on video so far.
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I also want to add that, re-framing holding someone accountable for their own actions as âdemonizationâ is part of the problem - a HUGE part of the problem - not the solution.
She owes parents, SS-abiding members, law-abiding citizens, and just baseline decent human beings an explanation for her behaviour. She must be accountable and answerable for her own behaviour. Period.
And, until she is, she and anyone who knowingly hires her or associates with her professionally goes straight on the âperson of interestâ list for me.
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The bottom line - such as it is - is that until Debbie and her husband are clearly on the hook for something and punished for it, thereâs no way that private customers wonât engage them for their services. After the Safesport sanction happened, the USEF probed discreetly into the McDonalds and their involvement in the upper level stuff and decided it just wasnât worth the legal trouble and bad press to keep Debbie as a contracted individual. Assuming they found nothing, the one and only reason that the USEF walked away from the negotiations to renew her contract was the potential liability that they would face if her husband did something in the future, because of his close proximity and attachment to her in all business and personal matters. All it would take is one clearly documented âShow me your tits or youâre done for, you damn whore!â incident from Bob McDonald and the USEF would be in a totally compromised position, similar to that of US Gymnastics after Larry Nassar became known as a menace without restraint.
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Good question
I agree that in terms of private individuals choosing to train with Debbie, itâs pertinent that 1) there was never a SS case directed at her, 2) that even the SS case against Bob was dropped (Iâm guessing the ban would have been upheld if the arbitration had gone through, but it didnât), and 3) the civil suit hasnât even started, as far as I know.
I agree with the decision of USEF not to renew her contract, because having that role is a high privilege and not a right, and the role would make her âthe faceâ of US dressage.
The US team lost something by not having a Debbie in that role, however necessary the decision was. I have zero problem with Adrienne Lyle showing loyalty to her long time mentor by continuing to train with her, or other private individuals choosing to train with her.
What did you mean by USEF checking into âtheir involvement in upper level stuffâ?
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You have no idea how strongly I agree with this statement. Trust me, Iâd love to get her in a room, sit her down and ask oh so many questions.
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I wish I could like this more than once.
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One of my coaches many years ago worked for Christilot Boylen briefly in Germany. She left abruptly because of expectations that had nothing to do with horses.
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WOW
as in?
Take a guess.
I have a lot of thoughts 
She was being victimized sexually?
Given the subject of this thread, you can be sure it wasnât doing the ironing.
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Im guessing by a partner, and not by CB?
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Yes, she wasnât assaulted but advised this was the norm. She left very soon after.
