BooHoo....No Mules at Foxhunting Camp!

Whistlejacket–I hunted many years ago with Loudoun and was rather involved showing hounds for a couple of years, so fortunately whole deal is not my first introduction to hunting.

And He** NO, NOTHING could dissuade me from hunting my mule, because she is going to be the most awesome ride out there with a couple of seasons under her belt–if her progress, attitude, and demeanor to this point are any kind of indicators!

I hope to see you in the field, too–please do say hi–won’t be hard to figure out who I am, LOL! Just look for the ears.

<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I’m convinced that the horses/ponies which do react strongly to mules do so because the mules a) smell quite different and b) have an unfamiliar silhouette <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

To say NOTHING of sounds. My nationally acclaimed Ap trail horse absoluted REFUSED to accept Paso Finos as equines - and the fact that they wore extremely convincing costumes and perfume only made the evil creatures they obviously were MORE frightening.
Pasos and round bales were his main frights.

You just bring that long eared beauty over to a hunt that appreciates her style…Middleburg…and have a fine ole time hunting that gal.

All those wonderful attributes she possesses have GOT to come from the draft horse in her!

Big Belgian, I know your horse well and your bias is well-deserved. He’s awesome, even if he does have short ears. We really gotta get out to hilltop together sometime–it’d be quite a sight, wouldn’t it? The Big and Bigger Belgian Club!

I think you might be onto something, imissvixen…one of my friends suggested that it was probably one of the horses to be ridden by whomever was going to work with the hilltoppers that didn’t like mules, LOL!

Just curious, why would you choose to ride a mule if you are a foxhunter?

How are they with jumping the coops - the folks that I have talked to with mules are not regular jumpers due to the not so smooth jumping style they tell me they have.

Or is it that you just have mules and you want to foxhunt so you dance with the girl you have so to speak…

Sorry that happened Ware! But I do have to say that I’ve seen horses just flip out upon first contact with a mule. More than once.

Well, Falstaff, welcome to the sport! Good to have more converts. Hope to see you too–maybe come cap with THH some day!

Conversely, I would LOVE to do some horse trials with Emma next year after we start over fences work. I have done BN/N with horses in the past and really enjoy the technicalities of the sport. Considering how popular CT is around here and the fact that USEA technically doesn’t permit mules at sanctioned HTs, I fear I might not have much of a chance getting into an actual HT but maybe would have better luck with combined tests…I did one down at Lexington one year that had dressage and cross country. It was a blast.

I agree, the true meaning of dressage doesn’t come to light doing endless 20m circles in an arena…it’s when you can keep your equine solidly between seat, leg, and hand when it doesn’t wanna be there that it really counts!

<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> gothedistance said: why else would they be there if this was not their end goal…I was very impressed by the structure and how closely the staff “approximated” what a person could expect at a hunt – either hilltopping <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

True…all the same reasons I’m sorry I couldn’t attend! I bet your friend is excited about hunting, eh?!

That’s a good idea, I’ll have to do it next time I think of it. I’ll report back to you, should be interesting, if nothing else. My mare (who is a spooky headcase) doesn’t pay much attention to them anymore so maybe the pony will get that way if we go about it right.

<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> National Association for the Advancement of Mule People <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

TOO FUNNY! I will tell you, as insignificant as it is, this little episode has given me a new appreciation for what prejudice feels like. But at the heart of it, I’m betting it has more to do with liability issues related to the low level of riding skills of participants rather than a particular bias against mules. Still disappointing, though.

I got a mule because I liked them and wanted to try something different after 25 years of horses, mostly OTTBs. It dawned on me eventually that I wasn’t temperamentally well-suited to TBs–I just always found myself wanting to fight with them. I had been thinking of a draft cross, but before I got my mind in gear about that, I started researching mules and upon finding that a good many people successfully use them for hunting, trail riding, dressage, and more, I decided, why not a mule! I was fascinated by the ways in which they are mentally different from horses and decided to get a mule just to see what they were like.

Well…it was a match made in heaven when I found Emma. I couldn’t have chosen a better first mule–heck, I never had a horse I got on with better than I do this mule. She is affectionate, personable, steady, amiable, and very very attached to me. It’s clear she claims me as “her person” and it shows in everything we do together. She is easy to train, loaded with personality, fun to be around, pretty to look at (at least to me), and I love her. Based on her progress so far, I know she is going to be a great field hunter in a couple of seasons. THAT’s why I am choosing to hunt a mule…well, THIS mule. She’ll never be the fastest galloper and I might have to work hard to get and keep her fit (as she is a draft cross), but that’s okay. I’m not particularly ambitious…she suits my style. She’s young and I haven’t jumped her, but based on how she trots over logs and stuff out on trail, it looks like she’ll jump just like a horse…how they jump is more or less a function of how they are taught to jump. If you teach them to jump in stride, they will. But…if you ask them to hop over from a stand-still, they will do that, too–pogo-stick style, LOL!

I dunno if I’d have bought a different mule whether I’d feel the same way about them, but this one I have, I am going to be darned proud of her in the hunt field.

WareMule,

I absolutely agree with you that the information about the camp should have clearly stated any exclusionary policies. That is beyond question.

If one were to give CH the benefit of the doubt (and obviously that is an individual decision whether or not to do so), then perhaps this lack of inclusion of such relevent information could be chalked up as being part of the “learning curve” that any relatively new enterprise experiences. If that is the case, then presumably exclusionary policies will be included in the literature distributed for next year’s hunt camp.

And why your application got as far as it did in the process when you clearly stated that you were bringing a mule, well, I haven’t a clue. And I would be irked as well.

WareMule, too bad that this is your “introduction to foxhunting”, and I hope this ahs not dissuaded you from pursuing foxhunting with your mule. I am a VA-based foxhunter, and I hope to see you and your girl out hunting sometime. To be honest, I really like mules, in the hunt field, out of the hunt field, wherever.

wateryglen - No, I am not a lawyer…but I have been called worse!

<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>It’s an introduction to foxhunting: not mules, llamas, or emu’s. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Falstaff, I MUST ask - because I find this one of the most common spelling errors in our language, stemming from lack of understanding the purpose of '. Why did you pluralize the first two correctly and the last incorrectly?

Falstaff, with a whole JUG of libation hanging off my saddle instead of a measly little flask, I bet I’d be one of the most popular girls in the Hunt, LOL! Tooooo funny…your description has me chuckling!

imissvixen, you make a lot of really good points…I’m betting they are worried about potential liability issues if any of the horses totally freak out at the mule. And…they could have some mental image of me bringing a jug-headed longeared thing that brays at the top of its voice constantly, has burrs in its scrubbrush mane and tail, and needs a bicycle chain bit to keep it under control. Those unfamiliar with mules aren’t used to seeing big fancy ones like mine. BTW, it was one of the masters who told me they have the policy of no mules.

J Swan/Falstaff - perfectly logical explanation. Not perfectly acceptable to the former English teacher in me, but what the heck!?
I fear that your explanation is the norm for most of this country’s population these days.

Aha - you got me. I know better. Really.

I could say I’m merely the unfortunate product of our public school system, or that my parents ignored me, or that I was influnced by peer pressure to not appear “too smart”.

However, the truth is that since I use a computer so much, I’ve grown to rely on the spelling and grammar check instead of my brain.

That’s my story and I’m sticking to it.

(I was J Swan for years but COTH ate my password so I changed my username to Falstaff until I got it fixed by Erin).

imissvixen - Based on my experience with the folks at CH, I believe that it is an inappropriate leap to accuse them of exclusion of mules because they consider mules as “not fancy enough”.

I would take their stated reason, as described above by WM, at face value. I don’t know with whom WM spoke, but the master I know is a straight foward down-to-earth individual.

I agreed with you and others that the policy of trying to “control the environment” for the newbies by excluding mules is a stretch. However, I would take the “no mules policy” as simply an attempt to do so and not a manifestation of predjudice or snobbery against mules as “not fancy enough”.

Different people, of course, have different experiences. Is your experience with CH such that is supports your interpretation of their motives?

You hear a lot of “party line” statements about mules vs. horses, i.e., mules are smarter, greater sense of self-preservation, more sure-footed, take less feed, never need shoes, etc. I think the truth of those things varies widely from mule to mule and horse to horse in a comparison.

So…let’s see if I can quantify the differences I’ve observed between the TBs I’ve had and Emma…and I’ll be the first to say that the handling and experiences that all those off the track TBs had compared to my mule’s “pet” upbringing probably has had a lot to do with the differences. But…here goes:

The horses (mares and geldings) tended to respond to all people equally–sort of a robotic response. “You’re a person, you must be okay.” The mule differentiates in a marked way. “Who are YOU?” You have to prove you’re trustworthy…but she’s sucker for food and scratchies, so that’s easy!

The mule will leave her food to come follow me around when I’m inside her paddock. She hangs out with me when I’m cleaning stalls instead of going to eat grass. She follows me like a dog when I’m checking the fence lines. She comes when I call her, and even when I don’t. My horses never did any of that. I always wondered if they liked me even a little. With the mule, I KNOW she’s fond of me.

The mule is ENORMOUSLY curious and lacks fear for the most part…but I think that is a result of her never having been hurt and always been treated lovingly by people, and a by-product of her age. My poor horses were all off the track and came with many built-in neuroses.

She’s definitely got the good donkey feet! Her hooves were practically chipless even after 3 days of 3 hour rides on sandy, gravelly terrain when we went camping earlier this year. She never gave ANY indication that the going bothered her in the least. I hope to never have to shoe her.

She is so careful and sure-footed. I really noticed this on the last Hunt trail ride. There was a creek crossing where both banks were churned up, rocky and and slick. I’d guess the water was 18" deep. The horses in front of me negotiated it the same way: slither-slide down into the water, splash through, plunge up other side. I threw the reins at Em and said “Deal with it.” She put her head down, cautiously stepped down the bank, stepped carefully through the water, and walked up the out bank quietly–tho the horses in front had gone on. Now…not that horses couldn’t/wouldn’t do that too, but this has ALWAYS been her approach from Day 1. I’ve not had to teach it to her. She is just …“studious”… when traversing obstacles. I LOVE that aspect of her personality. It might not be so much “Mule” as “Draft” but I love it.

Mules remember. I kid you not, I can teach her something, not practice it for three weeks, and when we revisit it, she not only remembers it, but often does it better than the last time we practiced it. I like to joke that I should just leave some books and videos in her stall so she can read up on things so I don’t have to train them.

Mules seem to have a lot more awareness of and ability to use their legs independently…horses seem less able/inclined to do that. My friend’s mule blasted a dog with one hind leg from a laying down position. Emma can very accurately scratch the base of her ear with a hind hoof. This characteristic is probably why they can be so sure-footed.

Are there downsides to mules? Well, sure! Their heads are usually kinda clunky–makes it harder to find tack that’ll fit. Some of them have narrow, shallow mouths and flat backs that are hard to fit bits and saddles to. You have to learn a brand of patience with them that is hard to explain, but I just call it “mule time.” We do things on mule time. It’s sort of like with a horse, you might push harder for a result when your training hits a wall; with a mule, you’re probably better off just leaving it alone. When you come back to it, you’ll likely find they thought about it and will cheefully do it. A lot of people don’t like the way mules look…they have the cast of a donkey in many points of conformation and it’s not the same rounded musculature we’re used to with horses. They have more of a tendency to kick than horses…at each other when arguing, at you when you’re annoying them, at dogs, at flies, etc. Not a vicious kick, more like a good shove with the most handy appendage. Emma and I have had a couple of “conversations” about this; she’s figured out that swinging a leg at me for ANY reason is going to earn her an uncomfortable punishment.

I personally don’t think mules or horses are better–there are good and bad examples of each. At the moment, I have a wonderful mule and so she is what I prefer.

Thanks! Hey–maybe that’s why Appaloosa mules are so popular–double or nothing!!!