Omg y’all are you really comparing a horse someone impulsively bought at a sale with no PPE to the logistics and paperwork on importing a high dollar horse?
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Where in Equibase can you enter the microchip number? I’ve never seen that, I’m not a member, just searched by horses name.
It could be a mistake. I have coggins done on my horses and the last year they got the ages reversed on 2 of my horses. Before jumping to fraud, it may have been an honest error if they were testing a group of horses and got two mixed up.
Regardless, it’s a bit too late to fix. A 13 yr old horse is still of great value, I hope you find a wonderful buyer for the horse.
Most sales have a legal disclaimer you sign that horses are sold “as is”.
You have to know what you are doing to get what you want, like looking at horse’s teeth along with all other if there are no registration papers with the horse you are bidding on.
Any you hear about the horse doesn’t come with any guarantees, are just opinions.
Now, some sale barns will look at teeth when selling a horse if you ask, but it will still be a guess, no guarantee.
At most sales there will be horses that are guaranteed sound for a few days, to let you get them checked and returned if they are not sound.
The sale barn holds the check when a horse has any guarantee, for the suitable days.
Any other, well, the horse sold “as is”, buyer beware.
Not sure you will have much to stand on to chase someone down that lied on the age.
Then what do you want them to do?
You can search for JC chip numbers in the Jockey Club’s interactive registration–like searching for a tattoo. I don’t think it’s available in Equibase.
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I think the information on Coggin reports is inherently suspect. As others have pointed out, the vet or tech who’s filling out the paperwork is asking the person holding the horse for the horse’s details. They aren’t fact-checking.
One of the last Coggins I had pulled on my three mares (who have been treated by the same vet for the past 10 years) represented two of the three as geldings, and the dark brown mare was listed as light bay. They even missed a few of the various white markings. :eek:
I called the vet office when my copies arrived because I was afraid that having so much REALLY incorrect info on the forms would cause a problem if they needed to be shipped somewhere. Office manager said “Just call us if anyone has questions.”. Luckily, the issue didn’t come up.
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Thanks, that’s what I thought. The OP in the original post mentioned the potential buyer searched equibase using the micro chip number which is why I questioned it.
It’s always possible that someone somewhere along the line did intentionally misrepresent the horse’s age, and concealed (or did not reveal) the existence of the microchip to facilitate that.
But, in a relatively inexpensive horse-sale, I’d be more likely to think that the horse has perhaps changed hands several times and along the way the age was mis-remembered and the microchip forgotten; people began to guess at the horse’s age based on her appearance and level of training.
Unless you have proof that the seller deliberately misrepresented the horse, or there’s something in the sale contract that suggests that you have some recourse if the horse turned out to be a different age, I (speaking as a non-lawyer) doubt that you’d be able to get anything back from the seller, particularly after several months of ownership.
If the horse was a higher-dollar purchase, and/or the seller from whom you bought has a nationwide golden reputation that they seek to preserve, then approaching them with the information and starting a conversation might be something to try. But I wouldn’t put any bets on a seller taking the horse back and refunding any of your money at this point.
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Yeah, it seems people often get confused between Equibase/Equineline/Interactive Registration and what each one does :-/
If the OP hasn’t confirmed the microchip herself, it would be worth it! A call to the JC should do it, if she doesn’t have IA access (and doesn’t want to sign up.)
I didn’t read through the PPs, but this conversation made me remember when I was scanning through sales ads and ran across an ad for a pony I had growing up. He was a 1991 model…we sold him in 2002ish…in 2011 the ad had him advertised as being 11…lol. He still looked great! He had made his way into the hunter world, which is what i sold him as…guess they don’t care too much about registration papers. lol
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In this day I am surprised that most PPEs do not include scanning for a microchip.
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Do we know that the OP PPEd the horse when purchasing her? The horse was scanned at the PPE when they went to sell her…
Nope, do not know that.
I was making a general statement, like many of them in the discussion.
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Horses in the US located in areas that are at high risk of flood or fires are often microchipped. Some states require “permanent” identification such as microchipping to obtain a coggins. Microchips are not as uncommon as they once were. They aren’t especially expensive and it is not uncommon for a vets to scan for them during a PPE.
In this case, the horse wasn’t perceived to be a “high dollar” horse yet it had a chip. Which supports the argument that chips aren’t only for “high dollar” horses.
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Well, I guess I just got may answer, eh? Slipshod management will generate slipshod service. In vet. practice the idea of “attention to detail” is not just a way to harass; it’s a critical element. I don’t think I’d patronize that vet anymore.
In any transaction where you contract for goods or services, written or oral, if those goods and/or services do not meet the standard of the contract then you have right to complain and if you counter-party is honest they will correct the error. If they “blow it off” then they are not people that have earned either your trust or your money.
G.
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You missed my point by a mile.
A country mile.
You wrote of the usef and European imports. This gal bought a random horse with no ppe and no chip scan at some random sale barn in Georgia. The mare being chipped is irrelevant. If I import gerfluevenhoofen I’m going to scan him. She bought some critter and didn’t. Get it?
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I don’t believe the OP mentioned if the horse had a PPE or not.
If OP didn’t do a PPE, I would agree with you. OP would be unlikely to scan the horse.
The point I was trying to make is, if a vet performs a PPE, scanning for a chip is not unusual. It is part of the PPE protocol in our area.
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No need to be snarky. TBs are usually registered, tattooed, and sometimes chipped, so they are rarely “random.” OP was probably told the horse was too slow, so never tattooed.
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If the horse is no longer 7, maybe it’s no longer a TB either.
OP, I would suggest you get all the infos you can get about this horse and also, have a conversation with the perso who sold it to you.
You could bring them back the horse and be done with it. You could ask for your money back, but I wouldn’t count too much on it.
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They didn’t ignore my concerns. When I called the office they didn’t charge me for those Coggins, and also removed the farm call, even though I had yearly shots done at the same time. They also offered to come out and re-pull blood for new tests, but as these are retirees that would only be leaving the boarding farm in an emergency, I made the decision to let it go. They have provided me with excellent service over the years, and I certainly wouldn’t drop them because someone was having a blonde moment over a long-time client’s horse paperwork.
My point was only that Coggins paperwork relies mostly on what the vet is being told at a given moment, and it’s absolutely subject to GIGO (garbage in, garbage out). I would never take the age, especially, from a Coggins, as gospel.
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Without a PPE, as chestnutmarebeware explained, a coggins does not GUARANTEE a horse’s age. You could tell a vet a 20yo horse is 5 and unless you had had dentals done with them prior, or asked them to verify the age, they put down what you tell them, at least in my experience. PPE’s are important! If I am unsure of a horse’s age because it doesn’t have registration papers or what not, I always ask my vet to try and age the horse for me, to get the most accurate age I can on the coggins. But not everyone does that. And not everyone is ethical, either. Some will lie just to make a sale. But that also isn’t the MAJORITY of the horse industry. Just the shady ones.
