Bought horse with fraudulent coggins!

If this mare went through a sale barn the coggins she came in with might not be the coggins you were given. I have throughbreds as a breeder, owner and rider and my oldest that I had a microchip put in is nine. Microchipping in TBs is relatively new for most. Pull mane hairs and send in for DNA matching to get your real answer or the beginning of a lot of more questions.

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Personally, I would say to myself, Well, that stinks. Then I would figure out what the horse needed to make a good, safe sale home and put a season into the horse with that in mind so he could get to a good home and learn my lesson about not PPEing a horse, if its going to mean that much to me to know the age. Personally, I would have thought you would have found out on your own when you got his teeth done. Oy vell. That’s horses.

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This fills in some blanks but I’d still wonder about “gender changes” in Coggins papers. You don’t have to see “DVM” after a person’s name to assume they can tell the difference! :wink:

I get that people can have “Monday’s”, too. But in the vet. profession, as in human medicine, they ought to be few, far between, and not accepted as an ordinary or routine event. It’s also well to remember that the Coggins paper is a legal document and in some states (like TN) it’s actually unlawful to take a horse without a Coggins on a public roadway. If it doesn’t match the physical description of the horse then an ACO can seize the horse and quarantine same and owner can find themselves with some impressive court costs, fees, and stabling bills.

That they made the corrections you note is a sign of reasonableness.

G.

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My old guy’s registration papers missed all the markings on one leg, and when I got my DD’s birth certificate the time was wrong. You don’t even want to know the sorts of things found in archived records on Ancestry.

It’s a shame but not worth fighting over, as the seller probably didn’t know the age either.

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Chestnutmare -
"someone was having a blonde moment over a long-time client’s horse paperwork.

Please explain what you mean when someone has a “blonde moment”?

I wouldn’t necessarily put 100% stock in a Coggins except it being negative -meaning I wouldn’t totally rely on it for proof of ownership, age, breed, height, and in some cases color. As others have mentioned some of the information is as good as what they pass along to future owners, vets, etc. Then you also have barn managers and grooms who hold for the vets who may not be that familiar with the horse either - so information give to vet may not always be accurate. While 7 - 15 is bit of an age difference, I don’t think you can really hold the seller accountable unless you can proof they intended to defraud you.

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I have not seen (sorry if I missed it) that you have independently verified that the horse is in fact 13. I would do that first. As someone mentioned above, you can’t run a microchip number through Equibase. So if the buyer told you she did that, she was confused or mistaken.

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Really? I’m a natural blonde, so I can’t be shamed into feeling guilty for this! :lol::lol::lol:

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Natural blonde here also and I use the blonde moment expression also when I refer to a brain fart.

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Are you genuinely asking or genuinely insinuating that blondes are a marginalized group?

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Apparently they don’t understand the amount of money some people will pay to look like natural blondes. Or even unnatural blondes.

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Around here, it seems most if not all vets use Coggins with pictures now. A lot easier than attempting to catalog all of a horse’s markings and easier to match to the horse.

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Re: blonde moment -If you were a blonde growing up in the 60s, you would be familiar with blonde jokes and the assumption that blondes were dumb. Just surprised that this description is still around.

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Im pretty sure TBs havent been using micro-chips for 13 years, so Im not even sure what the OP is talking about here.

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Mine does. I don’t even get a paper copy. I get a .pdf and print them myself.

G.

Me too, that is what our vet clinic does.

Apparently the horse was microchipped outside of the Jockey Club’s new (2017, iirc) requirement that foals be chipped. Chips have been available from the JC for several years, or you can get them from other agencies.

Yeah, not real common to find a chip in a 13 yo (or 7 yo, for that matter) Thoroughbred. Particularly one that isn’t tattooed and has little training.

I’m curious if the OP verified the info the potential buyer found ðƞ€·

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It makes life a lot simpler at shows, vet. check stations, etc. If you forget a copy, or forget to put new copies in your truck at re-do time, all you need is your phone (or other e-mail capable mobile device).

G.

that may vary state by state

Back in the “old days” a copy was not allowed, a fax copy of the original was

I see that for some such as a TB in Oregon the Racing Commission issues “the proper blank paper” that a “copy” of the original can be made.(I suspect the paper has a watermark ?)

  1. The Oregon Racing Commission will provide copy paper to the racing secretary of each meet in order for them to make a copy of the ORIGINAL valid negative Coggins form.

https://nationalhbpa.com/wp-content/uploads/oregoneiapolicy.pdf

When I was checking Coggins paperwork, more than once people attempted to pass off just anything for the horse
 and were pretty pissed when I would not accept their paperwork
 like really the paperwork says your horse is supposed to be a Mare
come on at least get the gender correct.

For god’s sake. It’s been around since the beginning of time. I know plenty of natural blondes who will say it when they have a brain fart. I paid a shit ton of money to become a blonde so I can say it too. Relax. :rolleyes:

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