brand new vet's liability waiver

That is too funny about the brief exam. Last month I had a woman blow a hissy fit in the lobby claiming I did not administer her dogs vaccines as the dog did not yelp when we did it. We feed dogs peanut butter while giving vaccines and just “sneak” them in. She claimed I “pretended” to give the vaccine, just so I could charge her!! She walked out refusing to pay. I refused to give her the records showing we had so she couldn’t board her pet later that month:)

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Yet more proof that you don’t have to do anything wrong in order to be sued. A friend of mine landed in court over a dog which came in for spay and eye surgery. Consent form said ovariohysterectomy. When wife picked up the dog she had sent husband to drop off, she claimed she had intended to breed the dog. She made the appointment. Lost that one in court as judge faulted my friend for using the proper medical terminology on the form.

I dealt with a board complaint recently. Woman complained about my exam being brief. Funny, I correctly diagnosed the cat with a urinary obstruction and saved it despite her screaming at my support staff when they explained that emergency care costs money. For those that are curious, total estimate of under 1k.[/QUOTE]

it’s a mad, mad, world…more small print: “Unpaid accounts are subject to additional billing fees ($30 monthly) and finance charges (24% annually) as well as legal and collection fees.”

wow, I thought 24% + $30 that was pretty steep and it’s far beyond my own contractual late fee rate, so I looked it up and found:

Legal rate in California is 7% or contract rate not to exceed 12% per annum(Const. XV §1; Civil Code §1916-1)

Penalty for Usury (Unlawful Interest Rate)
Contract or agreement for greater than 12% shall be null and void as to any agreement to pay interest (Civil Code §1916-2); debtor may recover treble amount paid;
willful violation:guilty of loan-sharking, a felony and punishable by imprisonment in state prison for not -state prison for not more than 5 yrs. or county jail for not more than 1 yr. (Civil Code §1916-3)

Question:
If the COTHposter vets contend here that liability for negligence cannot be waived by a signed release, why have a client sign such a release (as opposed to a simple consent to treatment/acknowledgement of risks)? Just curious. Since I’m not in a business that allows waivers at all, so it’s a bit of idle curiosity.

If it were me, I’d love to give that document to the DA. Talk about sleezy! Loan sharks are cheaper.

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Question:
If the COTHposter vets contend here that liability for negligence cannot be waived by a signed release, why have a client sign such a release (as opposed to a simple consent to treatment/acknowledgement of risks)? Just curious. Since I’m not in a business that allows waivers at all, so it’s a bit of idle curiosity.[/QUOTE]

The main reason is people don’t know you can’t sign away your right to sue so they don’t attempt it if they signed a waiver. If it avoids one lawsuit it is probably worth the time to print it out and sign it.

I would think the reason is to discourage someone wanting to file a frivolous suit as they might not pursue it after having signed the form. They are most likely not aware that it is unenforceable.

Even a consent form in not enforceable to an extent. We used to allow boarding dogs to play in groups during their stay. We would have owners sign a form stating that they would prefer their dog to 1) be let out alone in the yard or 2) have group playtime but we were not liable for injuries that might be sustained during playtime. We would temperament test all dogs. We had a group of young dogs one time over a Christmas that were having a blast running around in our 0.5" of snowfall one morning. We were actually video taping it as they were having so much fun. One dog made a quick turn while playing and tore her ACL and quickly came up lame. We had the entire thing on tape. Called the owner, owner was irate and sued (this was not filed through the veterinary channels as the dog was boarding and not in for medical services). I had to pay $2500 to have the stifle injury repaired by a surgeon as that was cheaper than going to court. That release did not save me a darn in the sense that I might have won in court but the costs would have been higher. Now we no longer let dogs play in groups. A real bummer for the dogs (and owners) that used to love that we did that. So sadly these few bad apple owners ruin it for the greater majority. Each one of these experiences changes how I conduct my business and makes me much more proactively protective and restrictive. Now I am not defending this vet as I have not read his forms and the excessive late payments fees are a bit much. But he may have had his own bad experiences and a lot of unpaid bills/ accounts receivable that are making him go to the extreme…I don’t know.

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it’s a mad, mad, world…more small print: “Unpaid accounts are subject to additional billing fees ($30 monthly) and finance charges (24% annually) as well as legal and collection fees.”

wow, I thought 24% + $30 that was pretty steep and it’s far beyond my own contractual late fee rate, so I looked it up and found:

Legal rate in California is 7% or contract rate not to exceed 12% per annum(Const. XV §1; Civil Code §1916-1)

Penalty for Usury (Unlawful Interest Rate)
Contract or agreement for greater than 12% shall be null and void as to any agreement to pay interest (Civil Code §1916-2); debtor may recover treble amount paid;
willful violation:guilty of loan-sharking, a felony and punishable by imprisonment in state prison for not -state prison for not more than 5 yrs. or county jail for not more than 1 yr. (Civil Code §1916-3)

Question:
If the COTHposter vets contend here that liability for negligence cannot be waived by a signed release, why have a client sign such a release (as opposed to a simple consent to treatment/acknowledgement of risks)? Just curious. Since I’m not in a business that allows waivers at all, so it’s a bit of idle curiosity.[/QUOTE]

Oh, good grief, I just got another one!

“owner agrees to indemnify and hold harmless [clinic], its officers, directors, employees, agents and representatives against any and all claims, including third party claims for injury, sickness and/or death of any mares inseminated by [clinic]”

wow, that just doesn’t make me feel like the clinic is confident in their employees, agents and representatives. my scaredy-inner child cringes “are you planning to kill my mare?” :eek: not that I think they’ll have the chance in the 2 hours she’ll be in their company…

My guess is that someone in the clinic is married to an attorney. Most vets don’t have the time or energy to think about this stuff. The forms sound like some type of standard consent form an attorney would cut and paste.