I have a Cartani x Landgraf mare that is like to breed and was asking for suggestions…she was a successful 1.40m horse. She has a fantastic front end but needs more scope and a hind end. She’s quick and careful. She trails her hind end and doesn’t open up. I would like the stallion to have super scope and jump with a very high hind end. I am considering Armitages Boy or even Armitage, or Halifax, Vegabond de la pomme? Anyone have any suggestions? Thank you!!
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I’m a huge fan of the A line being bred to L (particularly, A stallions to L mares). There are some horses I quite like that end up being quite athletic and very versatile as well. August der Dritte comes to mind (Argentinus x Landadel) and his full brother, August der Starke as well. The thing I would look at with Armitage and Armitages Boy is how large-framed are their offspring. Argentinus is somewhat known, it seems, for passing on a larger frame than might be strictly popular these days. I quite like it, but if someone is looking for refinement, Argentinus close up in a pedigree is perhaps not the direction someone wants to go. (And then specifically to Armitage & Armitages Boy, Grannus also being close up is another big one for being somewhat non-modern.)
I don’t know much about the Armitage Boy’s offspring but from what I’ve seen of horses by Armitage, I quite like them and they seem to be careful and quick over fences.
I don’t have any worthwhile experience with the other stallions you’ve mentioned, so I can’t add anything there. Good luck deciding! (Out of curiousity, do you have any conformation photos of your mare? I would love to see her!)
I think the big thing with the Argentinus offspring (And the older G line, going back to Graf and Grande) is that while Argentinus (& most of his breeding sons that I know of) tend to be fairly tall (16’3-17’1 iirc?) they tend to be wider/have more mass than I’m seeing what tends to be more popular these days.
Your mare looks like a handy type over fences! She seems like a fun ride. Based on her conformation, I wouldn’t really be concerned about breeding her to a stallion with more mass because she seems a little on the more refined side. I definitely think you’ve honed in on her area of improvement (hind end) and maybe a stallion that can improve on her top line a little might help with her scope.
I hope you keep us posted with who you decide to use!
Ok thank you for your help! I’m a first time breeder and all the help I get is so appreciated! I’m glad you think she can carry something a little bigger as well. I feel more on track now!