Bromont

[DogWithBigEars]

https://evententries.com/#LiveScoresS0gC_nIEtxbhcjNy9g_8zQ==

[MHM]

Thanks!!

[Ottbaxel]

Also-and I don’t mean this in a snarky way-but is she not a lawyer or in law school (I want to say she just passed the BAR but I could be imagining that)? Shouldn’t she know to read the fine print, ie the rules, every time they’re changed or updated? Odd.

[Baybear]

I saw a post somewhere on social media that said that horse was OK but she suffered some broken ribs and would remain overnight in hospital just to be sure. Hoping for a speedy recovery for her.

[CatchMeIfUCan]

Rule went into effect January 1st. Emails from all orgs like FEI, USEF were sent it about it and lots have been talking about it. We moved to paste B vitamins. I’m surprised she made it through Kentucky without knowing since she likely would have used them there too. The other notable rule change that went into effect early this year was the entering of vaccines into the FEI app which I’m sure she has done in order to be able to compete.

Here is the rule for anyone curious:

Article 1060 & Article 1061 – NO INJECTABLE VITAMINS

Article 1060 Treatments with Non-Oral Medication and Therapies not Included on the EPSL Veterinary Form B

1. The Veterinary Form B is used to authorise treatments with non-oral medication e.g. injections, infusions and nebulisation, and therapies not included on the EPSL (e.g. rehydration fluids and antibiotics) during FEI Events.

2. The Veterinary Form B must be filled in and signed by the PTV treating the Horse before submission to the VC/VD for authorisation.

3. The VC/VD must provide a signed copy of the Veterinary Form B to the PTV who requested the treatment.

4. A minimum of 10 litres of rehydration fluids may be requested for intravenous (IV) use. The VC/VD must assess the climatic conditions and/or the Horse’s clinical condition prior to authorisation.

• For Eventing, intravenous (IV) and nasogastric fluids must not be administered within 12 hours before the start of the cross-country phase; and

• for Endurance, intravenous (IV) and nasogastric fluids must not be administered within 8 hours before the First Horse Inspection and not between the First Horse Inspection and the start of the first loop of the Competition, or between any phases of the competition.

5. Such substances may not be used between rounds or classes in which the Horse is competing on the same day or during the veterinary check rest during an Endurance Event

6. A Veterinary Form B is not required for the treatment of Horses with the following substances:
   • joint support: aminoglycans (e.g. Adequan), pentosan polysulphate (e.g. Pentosan), hyaluronic acid;
   • amino acids; and
   • injectable homeopathics.
   (Removed injectable vitamins from lost)

Article 1061 Prohibited Treatments

1. The use of Banned Substances is always strictly prohibited.

2. The intra-articular administration of any medication is prohibited during FEI Events.

3. The use of per rectum treatments is prohibited during FEI Events.

4. The use of oxygen therapy is prohibited during FEI Events.

5. Recent blistering and/or firing resulting in evidence of inflammation or hypersensitivity or hyposensitivity is prohibited.

6. Horses are not permitted to compete after having undergone prohibited methods as described in Article 1004.

7. The injection or infusion of vitamins and/or minerals during the Period of the Event unless in the event of an emergency where their use is to be supported using a Veterinary Form A.

[Baybear]

A little off topic but I’m curious if this rule change about IV vitamin administration came about because of the sudden death of that show jumper a couple of years ago? There was a lot of investigation and policy/procedure about what team vets do/did vs what the actual owners want.

[CatchMeIfUCan]

Yes - that is my understanding but could be just chatter.

[Whiney12]

My understanding is the only person allowed to give IV shots in FEI is the designated FEI vet. This has ALWAYS been the rule. The new rule just doesn’t allow the FEI treating vet to give vitamins. So if Ema and her team gave an IV shot without the treating vet doing it, they broke multiple rules.

[alyssaequestrian]

@CatchMeIfUCan

The injection or infusion of vitamins and/or minerals during the Period of the Event unless in the event of an emergency where their use is to be supported using a Veterinary Form A.

The way I read this is that they are allowed, but only by the vets delegation and on the appropriate form. It sounds like the vet was the one unaware of this change?

[Mack_the_Knife]

The vet delegate in this case is very experienced, highly unlikely he would be unaware of the rule change.

[DogWithBigEars]

I’m not familiar with FEI rules. Does a vet need to administer all substances given intravenously while at an FEI show?

[Mack_the_Knife]

The treating vet (different from the Vet Delegate) or the personal treating vet (PTV) does all legal injectables in a designated treatment stall. There are specific times for treatment and rules regarding when treatment may be administered. PTVs are required to make themselves known to the Vet Delegate, and be credentialed with FEI, as are permitted equine therapists.

[Libby2563]

If that’s how it went down, I do feel for her. If you ask a steward before doing something, I think you should be able to rely on their answer.

That said, I was disappointed that her ride on Fern was “just on the edge” of dangerously fast per the commentators. After getting a yellow card at Kentucky for pressing a tired horse, I’d think she’d be more conscientious with her pacing?

[Mack_the_Knife]

There is no such thing as a vet steward. All veterinary questions should go to the vet delegate. Sorry, not a lot of sympathy.

[DogWithBigEars]

I noticed the same with her ride on Redfern. Disappointing.

[Willesdon]

If competing at FEI events, read the FEI rule book. It isn’t that long and is clearly structured.

[alwaysforward]

She also just made a post about how excited she was to be the fastest time of the day with Fern

[moatsngoats]

Not sure how this wouldn’t be intended in a snarky way lol. Mistakes happen, even for highly educated people She is a lawyer, I believe she is clerking for a federal district judge. She is a very very busy individual - clerking on its own is no joke, doing that while also campaigning several upper level horses is almost inhuman. Sometimes stuff slips by.

Truly don’t think there’s much more to the story - this is something that used to be allowed, she checked with someone (apparently not a vet steward since another poster said that isn’t a thing, but some official at the show) OK’d it, turns out it wasn’t OK and they were eliminated the next day. I’m sure she won’t make that mistake again.

[Texarkana]

@moatsngoats

Not sure how this wouldn’t be intended in a snarky way lol. Mistakes happen, even for highly educated people She is a lawyer, I believe she is clerking for a federal district judge. She is a very very busy individual - clerking on its own is no joke, doing that while also campaigning several upper level horses is almost inhuman. Sometimes stuff slips by.

Truly don’t think there’s much more to the story - this is something that used to be allowed, she checked with someone (apparently not a vet steward since another poster said that isn’t a thing, but some official at the show) OK’d it, turns out it wasn’t OK and they were eliminated the next day. I’m sure she won’t make that mistake again.

This has been my thought too. I truly don’t know how she does it all. She also does it all herself, too, without an army of hired help.

I have a ton of respect for Ema. I don’t know what to make of the stuff going on this spring, but it hasn’t changed my view of her as a person.

[Libby2563]

@Texarkana

I have a ton of respect for Ema. I don’t know what to make of the stuff going on this spring, but it hasn’t changed my view of her as a person.

I don’t know her personally but I know people who know and like her. However, I have a tough time getting past her working for and continuing to train with Marilyn Little.