Broodmare for eventing

[G3myst3ry]

I was looking for some opinions on this mare (conformation and breeding). She is a 16 year old thoroughbred, she raced as a young horse with some placings before being retired as a broody. She’s had four foals, we own the eldest (6 year old) he is eventing at prelim (95cm) schooling pre nov/1.05/1.10m show jumping and elementary dressage. He’s incredibly trainable, loves his job, very good movement and my jump coach keeps trying to buy him off us! She’s had one to race, another was sold to a high level event home (yet to be started) and the last is a yearling. All by the same sire. We would be buying her in foal to the same sire and keeping our fingers crossed for a filly!

Breeding: http://mobile.equineline.com/View.cfm/Product?rf=6044380&rg=T&p=4900

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[Jealoushe]

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[G3myst3ry]

Thanks!
Conformation: http://m.imgur.com/lu4kdeY

[bornfreenowexpensive]

I’m not as familiar with her lines up close but do see a LOT of good jump lines and lines that have produced nice event horses Further back. What I can see in the picture is a very nice looking mare. I love her shoulder and front end. Back end has decent angles too. She is just out of shape like a typical Broodie but looks pretty good after 4 foals. Fingers crossed that you get your filly!!

[vineyridge]

That’s a really nice paper for an event broodmare with lots of the old great Australian names. According to pedigreequery, she was bred to Dane News at least twice. If that’s the stallion, he has Sir Tristram as damsire, which is excellent. And she has so much Star Kingdom that one assumes that she produces better than average movers for a TB.

One assumes that you are in Australia.

[G3myst3ry]

[QUOTE=vineyridge;7951251]
That’s a really nice paper for an event broodmare with lots of the old great Australian names. According to pedigreequery, she was bred to Dane News at least twice. If that’s the stallion, he has Sir Tristram as damsire, which is excellent. And she has so much Star Kingdom that one assumes that she produces better than average movers for a TB.

One assumes that you are in Australia.[/QUOTE]

Yep in Australia and all four foals are by Dane News. One was picked by the coach of a young rider over here who’s competed to 4* so that seems to say something about what she produces… Do you think there is too much Star Kingdom blood in her? I asked someone over here and they seemed put off by it?

What stallions would people recommend to use over her with eventing in mind? I am thinking of giving her a go with frozen one year but if she doesn’t go in we’ll stick to fresh as we have some very good stallions over here.

Thank you for the feedback!

[vineyridge]

You might find this article on Star Kingdom interesting.
http://www.tbheritage.com/Portraits/StarKingdom.html

And this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPpLmuO-Nco

Potential size might be a downside with that much Star Kingdom and the foal might be a bit tough, but the inbreeding to him wouldn’t bother me at all. He was and looks like a pure sprinter, but he’s been an excellent line for eventing.

for a TB, are there any Vain line stallions left standing? Reason I asked is because Golden Glimmer, who is Vain x a Star Kingdom line mare, produced a 4* horse whose name I’ve forgotten.

Of course, if you could find a Sir Tristram or Sir Ivor stallion that would also be a well proved cross for eventing.

[G3myst3ry]

Thanks for the links, will read through the info tonight

When you say potential size do you mean too big or small?

Funnily enough we have a mare line bred to Vain (http://www.equineline.com/Free-5X-Pedigree.cfm?page_state=ORDER_AND_CONFIRM&reference_number=6867062&registry=T&horse_name==Maybe%20Vain%20(AUS)&dam_name==Senseless%20Vanity%20(AUS)&foaling_year=2002&nicking_stats_indicator=Y) but am unaware of any stallions that stand as performance sires from that line over here.
The stallions that stand here are Another Warrior (http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/another+warrior2) sire of Shane Rose’s young 4* horse Shanghai Joe but he’s Star Kingdom, Gwahir Zodiac (http://www.sporthorse-data.com/d?z=mrYah9&d=gwahir+zodiac&x=0&y=0), doesn’t have a huge amount on the ground but did have a son that Chris Burton rode 3* I think. There’s this one (http://www.sporthorse-data.com/d?i=10005019) but have heard mixed things about foals… There are probably others but can’t think of their names at the moment. Would love to have used A Fine Romance but he isn’t available via frozen. Or one of the German thoroughbreds (Esteban/Favoritas/etc) or there are quite a few doing very well in the UK?

The stallion she is going to is Sir Tristram but I don’t think I’ll put her back to him as he is only live cover and it’s a long trip to take her up there again.

[somanyhorses]

Brilliant Invader was by Vain http://koyuna.com.au/images/koyuna/stallions/Brilliant_Invader_Bloodline.pdf - he is long gone, but a prolific sire of 4* eventers and FEI showjumpers, and there are a few stallions around with his bloodlines (studs such as Koyuna, Aurum etc). I am lucky enough to have a Brilliant Invader mare

Also, you can get Favoritas frozen from Waterview Park: http://www.waterviewpark.com.au/pages/frozen-semen-list/stallion-details.php?idArticle=25326

[G3myst3ry]

[QUOTE=somanyhorses;7952382]
Brilliant Invader was by Vain http://koyuna.com.au/images/koyuna/stallions/Brilliant_Invader_Bloodline.pdf - he is long gone, but a prolific sire of 4* eventers and FEI showjumpers, and there are a few stallions around with his bloodlines (studs such as Koyuna, Aurum etc). I am lucky enough to have a Brilliant Invader mare

Also, you can get Favoritas frozen from Waterview Park: http://www.waterviewpark.com.au/pages/frozen-semen-list/stallion-details.php?idArticle=25326[/QUOTE]

Do you know if the Aurum stallions have competed? They don’t seem to have many foals on the ground but I do like the look Aurum Invader. I enquired about a Brilliant Invader mare the other day, would love to have a mare from him in the herd

Yeah, I’ve been looking into getting some Favoritas or Esteban semen one seasons…

[vineyridge]

Star Kingdom was tiny. IIRC, he was only 15.1 hands. Hyperion was tiny also, but both seemed to throw bigger than themselves.

It just occurred to me that there is Heroicity semen available frozen from Rockin in New Zealand. Horse is dead, but WFP is currently riding one of his foals–Freddie Mac. http://www.pedigreequery.com/heroicity Before his death, he was approved by the Hanoverian Verband as an improvement sire.

There used to be a really wonderful Australian site with an alphabetical index of stallions and their sport offspring, but I can’t seem to find it. Individuals would post about their experiences with the horses.

William Micklem says that breeders should aim to produce 2* horses consistently; the Advanced horse will appear if the sire and dam are good enough and fit together well.

[somanyhorses]

I am not sure about whether the Aurum stallions have competed, they all seem to be out of good eventing lines on the dam side too, but may not have been campaigned themselves. I just went to Nominate and did a results search https://www.nominate.com.au/equestdn/Results.aspx for “Aurum” and found lots of results for horses with that prefix. It may be worth giving them a call and having a chat about which stallions have produced successful eventers etc. Enjoy - it’s great that there are still some super TB lines floating around even though the trend is so much towards warmbloods nowadays isn’t it! (And yep Haruzac was by Zodiac. I knew Zodiac - he was a lovely natured horse. Like a gelding to deal with.)

[G3myst3ry]

Thanks for all the help, will have a look into the Herocity semen. What has he produced?

Will definitely give them a ring and find out some more about the stallions have you had much to do with Zodiac progeny? I’ve been thinking of using him one year as there is definitely a need for some more purpose bred thoroughbreds over here as it’s nice to get something that hasn’t been raced and got all the issues that often crop up… or with small percent irish or warmblood to add some bone and movement, we’ve got a few at home with only 1/4 warmblood which seems to be working very well as well as the 1/4-1/8 irish draught blood.

[G3myst3ry]

[QUOTE=vineyridge;7952429]
Star Kingdom was tiny. IIRC, he was only 15.1 hands. Hyperion was tiny also, but both seemed to throw bigger than themselves.

It just occurred to me that there is Heroicity semen available frozen from Rockin in New Zealand. Horse is dead, but WFP is currently riding one of his foals–Freddie Mac. http://www.pedigreequery.com/heroicity Before his death, he was approved by the Hanoverian Verband as an improvement sire.

There used to be a really wonderful Australian site with an alphabetical index of stallions and their sport offspring, but I can’t seem to find it. Individuals would post about their experiences with the horses.

William Micklem says that breeders should aim to produce 2* horses consistently; the Advanced horse will appear if the sire and dam are good enough and fit together well.[/QUOTE]

Is the site thoroughbredsoffthetrack.com.au? I’ve spent hours going through there will have to have a look back through…

[somanyhorses]

I haven’t seen any Zodiac progeny in the flesh, except Haruzac, who I saw a fair bit of when he was in Australia. He was just a really nice horse, quite straightforward. He wasn’t a super flashy standout, but just got better as he went up the grades and even though he was ridden by Chris who is so good, and therefore it’s hard to know what he would be like with a lesser rider, he did look straightforward. I don’t know of any others out there competing, but that’s not to say there aren’t others. Good luck with your breeding choices!

[vineyridge]

[QUOTE=G3myst3ry;7952479]
Thanks for all the help, will have a look into the Herocity semen. What has he produced?

Will definitely give them a ring and find out some more about the stallions have you had much to do with Zodiac progeny? I’ve been thinking of using him one year as there is definitely a need for some more purpose bred thoroughbreds over here as it’s nice to get something that hasn’t been raced and got all the issues that often crop up… or with small percent irish or warmblood to add some bone and movement, we’ve got a few at home with only 1/4 warmblood which seems to be working very well as well as the 1/4-1/8 irish draught blood.[/QUOTE]

So far Heroicity’s best known is Freddie Mac who is a true CCI horse. 2nd at Blenheim this year in the CCI 3* and 3rd at Bramham in the CCI 3*. He’s full TB out of Go Tara.
https://data.fei.org/Horse/Performance.aspx?p=AA824FB637390F61AA4A23B874FE5CC4

[G3myst3ry]

[QUOTE=vineyridge;7952703]
So far Heroicity’s best known is Freddie Mac who is a true CCI horse. 2nd at Blenheim this year in the CCI 3* and 3rd at Bramham in the CCI 3*. He’s full TB out of Go Tara.
https://data.fei.org/Horse/Performance.aspx?p=AA824FB637390F61AA4A23B874FE5CC4[/QUOTE]

Ok. Where abouts is the frozen available from? Will definitely have a look into him for the mare next year or the year after…

[G3myst3ry]

[QUOTE=vineyridge;7952703]
So far Heroicity’s best known is Freddie Mac who is a true CCI horse. 2nd at Blenheim this year in the CCI 3* and 3rd at Bramham in the CCI 3*. He’s full TB out of Go Tara.
https://data.fei.org/Horse/Performance.aspx?p=AA824FB637390F61AA4A23B874FE5CC4[/QUOTE]

Ok. Where abouts is the frozen available from? Will definitely have a look into him for the mare next year or the year after…

[vineyridge]

[QUOTE=G3myst3ry;7955034]
Ok. Where abouts is the frozen available from? Will definitely have a look into him for the mare next year or the year after…[/QUOTE]

His owner and semen holder is a COTH member from New Zealand named Rockin. Send her a PM and ask about his semen.