broodmare pedigree--help please

I have been offered a TB mare to add to my breeding program. I breed hunters. The owners have race horses. She has had 4 foals, 2 for the current owner but the 2 yr old does not seem to want to run and the mare had a foal this summer. I do not know anything about the 2 previous foals.

Sorry but I do not know how to post her pedigree. Her name is Lanton. I found her on Pedigreequery.com. 1991 model. I don’t know much about her bloodlines for sport. I have not seen the mare as she is a few states away. She is supposedly 16-2, pretty and “moves like a hunter”. I am getting video’s and pictures later but can anyone help with her pedigree.

My plan is to breed her to a warmblood hunter type stallion. I have a few I have used in the past, hopefully one will complement her.

PS Not planning to breed until next year

She’s 25… you want to breed her at age 26 for a foal when she’s 27??

I’m not a big agist when it comes to breeding but I’d pass so hard on this it wouldn’t even have registered as a fleeting thought in my head.

couldn’t find her pedigree

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I have been offered a TB mare to add to my breeding program. I breed hunters. The owners have race horses. She has had 4 foals, 2 for the current owner but the 2 yr old does not seem to want to run and the mare had a foal this summer. I do not know anything about the 2 previous foals.

Sorry but I do not know how to post her pedigree. Her name is Lanton. I found her on Pedigreequery.com. 1991 model. I don’t know much about her bloodlines for sport. I have not seen the mare as she is a few states away. She is supposedly 16-2, pretty and “moves like a hunter”. I am getting video’s and pictures later but can anyone help with her pedigree.

My plan is to breed her to a warmblood hunter type stallion. I have a few I have used in the past, hopefully one will complement her.

PS Not planning to breed until next year[/QUOTE]

the 3 Lanton’s I saw were not 1991s (pedigreequery.com and equiline.com) - older mares are notoriously hard to get in foal or to keep in foal. Unless she’s a Sadler’s Wells, Galileo or something rare, it may not be worth the risk. Loads of younger 16.2H TB mares out there.

As a note, the OP edited her post to indicate that the mare is, in fact, a 2001 model not a 1991. I was able to find her pedigree on pedigreequery.com as one of the three listed Lantons.

i’d look at the mare in person and see how she moves. some very promising names for movement and then some total movement killers right up close and personal. you might not get a hunter out of her but you certainly could get a jumper.

http://www.pedigreequery.com/lanton2

http://www.pedigreequery.com/lanton2

Here … for those that can help you and need to take a look quickly.

ETA: Whoops… sorry posted right after you…lol

For the record, folks, the OP posted the incorrect birthdate for the mare–she was born in 2001. That makes her fifteen, not twenty-five! Does that change anyone’s opinion??? When I checked out the mare on pedigree query I noticed the discrepancy and figured the person got the dates wrong…

Here is a link to the mare: http://www.pedigreequery.com/lanton2

I feel it’s a pretty decent sporthorse pedigree… I also see “jump” in there (an added bonus).

Everything is a crapshoot. If she’s free, or reasonable, well conformed and you have the time and the money to invest, then go for it. Take a good look at her legs–crooked legs are heritable. Have a pre-purchase exam done with an empasis on breeding soundness–do a uterine biopsy and good luck in your endeavors!!! :slight_smile:

can you give me specifics about the stallions involved. I have had only 2 TB mares (my best mares) and they were both Turn To mares. Obviously I will go see her in person. Just a short plane flight but I am interested in what the bloodlines might bring and obviously I will look at her, her foal from this year and the 2 yr old they have. She is free because the owner is a good friend of a friend and they all have race horses and I obviously do not.

who are the promising movers and who are the movement killers?? Thanks

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the 3 Lanton’s I saw were not 1991s (pedigreequery.com and equiline.com) - older mares are notoriously hard to get in foal or to keep in foal. Unless she’s a Sadler’s Wells, Galileo or something rare, it may not be worth the risk. Loads of younger 16.2H TB mares out there.[/QUOTE]
actually good TB mares in Colorado are few and far between. I have been looking to replace my good TB mare for 3 years. They are all either too small, not well conformed, or pedigree’s that I do not want for hunter breeding. There is not a good track here, so there are not quality horses around. Yes I would love to find a 6 yr old, 16-2 hand leggy TB mare with a kind and quiet personality!! The mare I was offered according to the owner is all that just 10 years older and has had 4 foals…so I thought it might be worth the risk but I would like to have input on her pedigree before I fly to see her in person.

you have a lot for athleticism and movement, but it is far back. some names for above average movement: Green Dancer, Nijinsky (GD was one of the most reliable ‘passers’ of Nijinsky’s movement IME), Sword Dancer, Timeless Moment (son gilded time throws better than average movement), Grey Dawn (thru Blue Larkspur) and Irish Castle.

When I say movement killers, I mean horses that move average or below average - when I think of an average mover I think of a horse like this (not mine, random clip pulled from YT): click

One thing Seattle Slew really consistently passed on (besides his handsome color) was his average almost-sewing machine trot. Almost every horse I saw by him moved that way. I think SS contributes heart and soundness (rideability) but does not improve movement. His most prolific son, AP Indy, seems to pass on a similar but usually better trot likely in part thanks to the linebreeding to Bold Ruler & Princequillo. But AP Indy’s best thing is his dam, Weekend Surprise - she is tail female to a superhorse named Lassie Dear, who’s mother Gay Missile is found in many UL event horses.

For Septieme Ciel, hopefully having GD/Nijinsky damside thru Maximova came thru more than SS.

Pine Bluff and Danzig (father & son) are another family I don’t think contributes movement; Danzing definitely contributes jump and attitude but I don’t typically look to him as a source of movement in the pedigree.

Irish Tower is a really nice horse to get in a pedigree, and he almost consistently has very, very good jumpers – but I don’t see many of them with dressage movement. Hunter movement is a little different, but the basic premise is the same - supple & suspension. You get the best movement in a TB IMHO thru Hyperion, Blue Larkspur, and Gay Missile.

The plus side is all of the stallions I mentioned, while maybe not the most brilliant horses in terms of movement, contribute so much more than just movement to the equation.

The sire side is interesting for sport with Damascus and Grey Dawn. Definitely agree you need to look at her in person in terms of conformation and movement… I also completely agree about the Seattle Slew comments… but I’ve seen several of his grandbabies via the sire line who made great event horses. That was primarily because they were awesome on cross country… The dressage… Not so much. They did have fantastic gallops… But that’s irrelevant for most anything but racing and eventing. And really mainly preliminary and above eventing… Time is not too hard to make at the lower levels. And the few I knew really well who immediately come to mind were paired with really good tough event riders who were going at prelim and intermediate, and got the very best out of those horses…

Are you hoping to breed her to a TB stallion, or outcross to a Warmblood? If you already have preferred stallions in mind, I would look at their pedigrees in relation to hers before going any further. She has Northern Dancer on both sire and dam side of the pedigree, and has Nearctic twice on the dam side… And has Native Dancer on the sire side. Northern Dancer’s broodmare sire was Native Dancer… So if you were to extend the pedigree to 6 or 7 generations… You have a lot of crosses to those lines on both sire and dam side.

If you were to match her with a TB stallion and be planning on a foal for sport, be careful to avoid any more Seattle Slew and Northern Dancer. That can be pretty hard to do when it comes to TBs these days… Even a few of the really nice TB stallions approved by multiple Warmblood registries - Sea Accounts and Sea Lion - bring in a lot more Northern Dancer and Seattle Slew in Sea Accounts case. Coconut Grove is still available frozen though, and you would be avoiding more Norther Dancer and Seattle Slew, adding another cross to Damascus in the first five generations, as well as another cross to Bold Ruler. I’m not sure that would give you a quiet hunter though.

If I were you, I wouldn’t care about the pedigree, which is, IMO, mediocre. What I would care about is the mare herself, and more importantly the foals that she has already got on the ground. I would not touch her without seeing every single foal that she’s had, along with photographs and videos of their sires. Then you can see if the foals take after her, after their sires, or after both, or after their grandparents.

I would not take her on herself alone with this pedigree.

Sorry to be a downer, but there is nothing in her pedigree that screams to me that she would be likely to produce hunters. Eventers maybe, but not hunters.

If you are in Colorado and looking for a TB, find the COTH thread on the Transworld herd. You might be able to find a much better mare there.

ok, my 2 cents… she’s got some wonderful and unusual names up close in her pedigree. AND black type up close! and a breakdown/euthanized 1/2 sister :frowning:

Loved Septiem Ciel as a race horse and how unusal to find him here through a son. Not a brilliant racehorse, Benton Creek was a listed stakes runner. Musta been retired out west and probably didn’t see many quality mares. However, the 1st dam, Kit’s Peak, was a stakes winning turf miler daughter of Pine Bluff, an old Loblolly name from the past! Kit’s Peak had two nice stakes fillies, the best being G2 winner Carlsbad, who broke down during a workout.

Other plus for me is that she is from the family of White Star Line and Filberto

I like her… she out to be good on grass!

thanks for the info. The breeder is going to send pictures and if she looks good I will travel to Arizona to see her up close and personal. Supposedly she was easy to breed but her babies (don’t know which stallions they bred her to) did not want to run. But possibly they will make hunters??–All depends on the mares movement and confirmation, but she is sound (says something) and tall enough.