Bryan Neubert?

I thought I’d start a separate thread on Bryan for anyone who didn’t go into the Peter Campbell thread.

Bryan is doing a clinic a couple hours from me in a few months and I’ve heard good things about him. Anyone else want to give him the thumbs-up or down? My friend who has ridden a lot with BB really likes Bryan and highly recommends him, but I’d like to hear from others, too.

And as a side-yet-somewhat-related-note, would he be someone to look to for advice on the steps to making a bridle horse?

He certainly knows the process of making a bridle horse. He comes to my area to do a clinic in years that Buck does not. The woman that organizes alternates between the two, and she knows her way around these clinicians, so that speaks well of Bryan. I watched a bit of one of his clinics, they are a bit more free-form than Bucks, but very much the same stuff. Possibly a bit more focused on using the horse, rather than improving everyone’s horsemanship (subtle difference, that).

Recognize that making a bridle horse is, as much as anything else, a matter of time. Just using the horse, with quality, so that things get more solid, and when you get to the point where they are, you move on to the next step. There is no fixed formula, it depends very much on the horse and the person doing it. So many people want to buy the perfect youngster and make their first bridle horse, but that is folly; you will make so many, mmmm, not mistakes, but little diversions that you have to back-track on the first time you go through it. Places where you realize things really could be a lot better. You probably don’t want to be doing that with a really hot “prospect”. Just work with the horse you have, go as far as you can with it. It may or may not make a great bridle horse, but you can still get a feel for the process. I saw very little progress with mine until I stopped worrying about making progress and just rode to make my horse better. Then, suddenly, I’d find it was time to try this, or try that; sometimes it worked, sometimes I had to go back (esp the first time going snaffle to hackamore). It’s all a learning process. It is not at all lock-step, the way almost all competitive disciplines are. It’s just riding the horse with quality, until the horse gets as good as it can. And being satisfied with that.

But, yes, Bryan knows how to do it.

I have only heard GREAT things about him. He has never been close to here, but he is supposed to be the “REAL DEAL” on feel.

Someone asked Ray Hunt before he died, who he felt would carry on his message once he was gone…

Ray said, Bryan Neubert and Joe Wolter, so I would jump at a chance to go to either of their clinics.

Be sure to report back here :slight_smile:

Thanks for the info!

You probably don’t want to be doing that with a really hot “prospect”. Just work with the horse you have, go as far as you can with it. It may or may not make a great bridle horse, but you can still get a feel for the process.

My mustang is no hot prospect ;), but he’s the horse I love and I want to continue to develop our partnership so that I can learn how to help him be the best he can be. Sure, ending up a bridle horse would be great if that happened, but I don’t expect to go from A to Z without all the steps in between and the back-steps along the way.

It’s all a learning process. It is not at all lock-step, the way almost all competitive disciplines are. It’s just riding the horse with quality, until the horse gets as good as it can. And being satisfied with that.

I guess that’s where I find myself now. While I have competed in the past, it has always brought me frustration so I’ve kind of let it go. And I found training for competitions to not necessarily be training that brings out the best in my horse, or me, if that makes sense. Now before anyone jumps all over me, that’s just been my experience. :cool:

Since I prefer to mostly ride on my own and work on “assignments” I thought it would be good to find a couple clinicians that I like who can help me define goals that I should be working toward. I’ve found the ground work to be very helpful and use it just about every time I ride. Now I’d like help with other exercises under saddle vs. going round and round on a 20-m circle. I’ve gotten some good ideas from the “7 Clinics” DVDs, but always want to learn more!

I have done 2 clinics with Bryan Neubert, highly recommend him. I did a clinic with Joe Wolter and I think Bryan is a teacher, Joe was tougher to learn from and very disorganized. Jump at the opportunity with Bryan Neubert. :slight_smile:

And as a side-yet-somewhat-related-note, would he be someone to look to for advice on the steps to making a bridle horse?

Yes. Yes, and yes.

The first time I ever heard of the Neuberts was in 1996 or 1997. I went to a ranch horse sale in Alturas, CA. Bryan’s son Luke had a big bay grade QH gelding (maybe 15.3 and 1250 lb), really nice horse. Luke was not more than 12, probably less, and his legs didn’t reach down too terribly far. But it was understood that the horse was Luke’s project, Dad helped but didn’t ‘do it for him’. The gelding was obviously a class or three above everything else, easily accomplished everything asked of him in the preview (abbreviated reining pattern, boxing/fence work with a cow, then rope the cow), showed how you could take an irrigating tarp and go irrigate. Great attitude on the horse. Not surprisingly, the gelding was the high selling horse in the sale.

Anyway, before I really understood what a feel really was, in 2003 I took my two mares to a clinic. It was close to home, so I hauled in. My mares are full sisters, and were 3 and 4, and look quite a lot alike. On the last day when I asked a question, I found out that I wasn’t supposed to be switching horses back and forth!!
Anyway, it was obvious to me that the work we did in the clinic would be helpful to making an event horse- that’s pretty much all I knew. But it was a good clinic, and Bryan came across as really competent and without ego, though he took pride in doing things well.

My mustang is no hot prospect…

I beg to differ.

He looks like a great prospect to me, though he needs to learn to carry himself properly- his back is lower than it should be. Learning how to make Buck’s and Bryan’s exercises work, and getting Mac using himself well, will make him look different- in a good way.
I am looking at this photo from your Buck clinic thread in May:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/kalitude/8699279064/in/set-72157633394855908/
But anyway, if you get this stuff working for you, Mac’s back will come up and he will look like an AWESOME bridle horse, when you get him to that stage. (My OTTB gelding looks like a different horse altogether from when I bought him-off the track for a year already- and we’re not out of the snaffle yet.)

And the bonus about Bryan, is that he has a TON of experience with Mustangs. Not only is he really good at starting untouched adult mustangs fresh from a gather, but he’s surely made bridle horses out of them.

Thanks, Fillabeana! Here are some pictures of me and Mac in our dressage garb:

http://i1310.photobucket.com/albums/s654/PrincessFishCheeks/Big%20Mac%20%202005%20BLM%20mustang/MacOct8023.jpg

http://i1310.photobucket.com/albums/s654/PrincessFishCheeks/Big%20Mac%20%202005%20BLM%20mustang/MacOct8013.jpg

Glad he’s got lots of mustang experience - I happen to loooooove mine!

I’ve been thinking of doing a “home clinic” at Bryan’s place, too - don’t know what the costs of that are, but it sounds like lots of fun!

Would I tell the clinic organizer ahead of time that I’m interested in learning about the bridle horse progression?

I had the opportunity to audit two mini-clinics Bryan did at the Nebraska Horse Expo several years ago. I agree with those who say he is the ‘real deal’. (I also audited one of the last clinics of Tom Dorrance, also in Omaha, also have had exposure to Ray Hunt, Buck Brannaman, also in the Omaha area some years ago. So, with that frame of reference, I think I can tell the difference between a ‘real deal’ and not-quite there, LOL.)
ETA, the Nebraska Horse Expos were in Lincoln, not Omaha. The Tom Dorrance clinic was hosted by a stable just a little distance from Omaha, and one of the Brannaman events was in Fremont NE. If I had the time, and funds, I definitely would love to attend a Bryan Neubert clinic. I was very impressed with him in the short sessions I saw.

Pocket Pony, what is it about the “bridle horse progression” that you want to learn? I’m sure if you just ask at some point, during a Q&A time, for Bryan to talk about making a bridle horse, he’ll be glad to talk about it and there will be interest in listening.

Do any of the clinics that you have access to have any cow working? You’ll certainly want to watch that and get started on it. Loads of fun, and it isn’t necessarily fast stuff–cow working should be as sympathetic to the cow as the ground and riding work is to the horses. It’s part of the horse’s education from the get-go (I think it was one of Martin Black’s sons who started a colt at Legacy of Legends was doing cow work on the horse’s second or third ride).

And, BTW, I think your horse is very nice and looks like he would be very capable of working toward becoming a bridle horse. He looks to be working with softness, looks reasonably athletic, and, from what you can see in pictures, seems to have a good mind, which is an important part of where you want to start.

Good question! I like to work toward continuous improvement with my horse. Now, of course, that doesn’t mean I’d ever make a bridle horse, but why not have a goal of something to work on (with the understanding that it would take years, I know it isn’t something I’d get to in the near future!)? Even though I’ve done h/j, dressage, and eventing, the most fun I think I’ve ever had was doing a bit of cow work. And I mean a bit . . . like 1/2 day in a clinic and then on a trail ride when they were in our way. But move cows we did and Mac did a great job at it! I’ve actually always thought that doing cow work would be fun, I just have no knowledge of how to do it - and I don’t have access to cows! So, yes, I am on the lookout for clinic opportunities where I could learn that.

In my English background, I’ve found that I get to a certain level and then just kind of peter out. I’m not interested in jumping higher or galloping faster - that’s not really Mac’s thing! :lol: And in dressage, well, it seems to be geared toward performing in competition, which is okay but not really where I’m headed. I had a dressage trainer from whom I learned a lot about biomechanics, and I enjoyed understanding something new, but at the same time, we’d go round and round and round on the circle, and that’s just not fun to me.

I like riding with a purpose, and a purpose other than executing a test in a dressage arena. And while all riding has principles in dressage, I like to take it out and DO something with it. Ack, I sound like I’m knocking dressage and I don’t mean to be - done well it is wonderful. How do I say this? I guess like going out on the trails, which I do a lot, or working cows, which I’d like to learn how to do, dressage comes in handy, and it has certainly improved my horse.

Anyway, I love learning anything and everything I can about training my horse. I’ve worked with people in my area in the English disciplines who I think are good. But I want to try something new and I want to learn about all of it and soak it up and try to improve myself and my horse and go play with cows and get out and do something fun!!:smiley:

Would I tell the clinic organizer ahead of time that I’m interested in learning about the bridle horse progression?

Well, that probably wouldn’t be necessary. Any horse at all (if we’re talking about Buck or Bryan) is going to go about his development as a bridle horse would progress. And if it were, say, longtime Buck students Betty Staley or Susan Hopkins making a dressage horse, or Tina Cornish making a jumper, you wouldn’t know the difference in the ‘dry work’ except for the saddle and the rider’s outfit.

I remember there was a fellow in the Bryan Neubert clinic I rode in ten years ago, with a nice competent ranch horse (not a bridle horse, tho) who had a spade or half-breed curb hung on him. Not too bothersome to the horse, but the horse had lost his lateral ability. The guy kept wanting to ‘do the advanced stuff’, and ‘learn about a bridle horse’, and Bryan kept saying, well, you’ll have to get this working (lateral flexion) before you do anything at all…and the guy kept riding the same exercises the rest of us were doing. Because his horse needed that lateral ability. The guy just wouldn’t change out of his curb bit, and Bryan just kept having him two-hand to get the horse to bend laterally.
I think the guy probably went home a little disappointed, but not because his his horse didn’t get a lot better. He just thought he was doing stuff beneath him, I think, couldn’t see that what he was doing was to build up what his ‘bridle horse’ was missing.
But Bryan wasn’t going to blow smoke up that guy’s butt, he was going to help that horse where he needed it.

That sort of reminds me of Buck’s story about Bill Dorrance in “The Faraway Horses”. Buck is having lots of trouble getting his horse to do a turnaround (moving front around hind quarters). He calls Bill, and Bill tells him all about how he needs those hindquarters to move away real nice…and Buck thinks Bill is getting senile. Buck is thinking, no, Bill, not HINDquarters, I’m having trouble with the FRONT quarters moving around like they’re supposed to…but Buck is polite and just suggests again that he’s having trouble with the front end. Bill patiently tells him to get the hindquarters right. So then later Buck gets on his horse, tries to move the HQ, and nothing doing. So he gets to fixing that, and the turnaround is there. At which point Buck realizes that Bill Dorrance is not senile…

But I’d encourage you to go to Alturas. Total immersion on a ranch would be great!

Loads of fun, and it isn’t necessarily fast stuff–cow working should be as sympathetic to the cow as the ground and riding work is to the horses.

Yes! Most people chase cows. They use corrals/fences that the cows are unlikely to go through, and then just chowse them/bother them/compel them to GO. Drive them, push them, whoop and holler at them. Learning to work cows on a feel (by SENDING them, by ‘asking with a good deal’ before you ‘make it happen’ by driving/chasing them) is a skill, and it is beautiful when done right. And the cows appreciate it, too.
Have you ever seen a good Border Collie work cows? He almost never bites them. He will if he has to, but mostly he just suggests, shapes things up, uses his eye. That’s a feel.
The lousy dogs just run in and bite and get the cows running away.

There are still lots of ranchers in big country who know how to work cows on a feel. There are lots of cutting horse folks who know how to do it- good ‘herd help’ is invaluable to a cutter. Your average team penner, sent to ‘help’ a cutter, would make a big mess in a short hurry.

But do expose yourself to cow work done right, that’s a good thing.

I went to Bryan’s clinic in Oakland and will probably go to the one in Novato. He is worth the money. He is such a talent and oh so humble. Be prepared to be taught by him telling a story. The answer is always in his story:)