Bugatti Hilltop - what does he bring?

[Boomer]

I was looking at my Hilltop DVD last night and liked Bugatti.

What does he consistantly bring to his foals? The ones on the video looked similiar in type.

I need to strength my mare’s hindend, shorten the back, add cadance to gaits… AA friendly temperment with future foal size 16-17 hands (my mare is 16 hds). She has good bone and is good-natured. She is mostly jumper-bred but I am breeding for dressage.

Thanks!

[bornfreenowexpensive]

Call/email Hilltop…they are really honest about what each of their stallions brings to the table.

The Bugatti offspring I’ve seen have all been tall and leggy with nice temperaments and good movement but Hilltop would know the dams better and so know what to expect.

[elizabeth_Callahan]

speaking for myself - not a whole lot in size but fabulous temperament , great mover and adequate jumping ability. My mare also has a great neck and shoulder - much more uphill than her TB dam

[Cartier]

This is Bogie, a 2004 gelding, by Bugatti out of a Riverman mare… he was bred by Joan Fleck… (might have the name wrong, she lives in VA… was a good friend of Bernie’s) … He was purchased in utero (along with his dam Rhapsody), and has been owned by the rider in this video since birth.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOEUiL9p3vw

I have mentioned Bogie before on this forum, just recently actually. Bogie is a beautiful hunter type… really a lovely make and shape.

and the end of this video highlights why people should always ride with helmuts… after this fall both horse and rider are fine, rider had a broken wrist and arm… and a lot of pain… but without a helmut, it could have been much worse.

[Callaway]

Nice necks, good bone, substance without clunkiness/coarseness, uphill builds, really, really calm temperaments, and height in my cases. I have 2 colts that are full brothers. I can’t say for sure it came from Bugatti, but both have a weaker front leg and small front feet, and a lot of angulation in their hocks (the dam has straight hocks). Both have a straighter shoulder than their dam, but more elasticity in their movement (just not as much extension from the straighter shoulder angle). Usually, the foal resembles the mare in type and color, IME. All in all, I really like my young boys. They are attractive and really easy to work with.

[Edgewood]

I have a coming 3 year old Bugatti - Cordoba - Weltmeyer filly that Hilltop bred and I bought at 5 weeks of age.

I would say, that in comparison to the (very nice) dam, my mare has a shorter back, maybe keeps her hind legs more underneath her while moving, and has a better walk. Trot and canter were very good - but both the dam and sire were good movers too. I also think that my filly has more angle in the hindleg and could have bigger, rounder feet.

I would say that Bugatti provided a very “easy” temperament on the filly. The dam was very rideable, but I had heard that she could be hot off the aides and that was why they bred her to Bugatti to slightly tone it down. The filly has been super easy to start.

Here’s my filly. She is often on the Bugatti videos and they have been updating it with new footage each year (all in hand since she just is turning 3 this year).

http://mysite.verizon.net/vze85onr/edgewoodmeadowfarm/bellatesse.html

Here is her 12th ride just last week
http://youtu.be/j_N_d11SyPw

[eniskerry]

I have a 2011 Bugatti out of a Cacique/Alcatraz Holsteiner mare named Benjamin. http://fridayschildfarm.com/benjamin.htm

Very leggy and I think will be pretty tall (~17h), but the mare seems to throw height despite being only 16h herself. Also very refined, but the mare throws that consistently. This mare has had 3 foals from 3 different stallions and the Bugatti is by far the best mover of the three with the most elasticity. Great neck and uphill build. He has an upright front foot, but the mare does as well and has thrown that to all of her colts from 3 different stallions so I think that’s just very prepotent from her and no knock on Bugatti. Benjamin was Premium, Foal of Distinction, and Stallion Prospect with the GOV. Brain is fantastic - very smart but very willing and eager to please and loves people. Unfortunately, he sustained an injury as a 3 month old that we couldn’t get healed and continued to deteriorate … options were basically limited to fusing his pastern joint vs. putting him down. I’m taking the chance on the fusion and he had surgery last week, so knock on wood he’ll recover and go on to be sound. Speaking of a great brain, he’s already been through 3 months of stall confinement as a baby and handled it better than most old horses would. After a lot of debate, I made the decision to do the surgery realizing that he’ll probably never be very sellable and I’ll basically be keeping him to ride for myself (hopefully! if he gets and stays sound that is). That will mean selling my going riding horse in a few years, but Benjamin is so nice that I decided to take the gamble. I really like what Bugatti brought to the table.

[Beentheredonethat]

[QUOTE=Boomer;6130268]
I was looking at my Hilltop DVD last night and liked Bugatti.

What does he consistantly bring to his foals? The ones on the video looked similiar in type.

I need to strength my mare’s hindend, shorten the back, add cadance to gaits… AA friendly temperment with future foal size 16-17 hands (my mare is 16 hds). She has good bone and is good-natured. She is mostly jumper-bred but I am breeding for dressage.

Thanks![/QUOTE]

I don’t know Bugatti, but since you’re looking for a lot of what I was, you might want to try Freestyle (by Floristan I) in Canada. I wanted bigger, shorter back, keep the movement and to mellow out the temperament. (My mare 15.3, long back, super mover, hot, hot.) I loved the first one so much I made a second. I have a 3 3/4 year old and a 1 3/4 year old by him. I’ve been on the 3 3/4 a few times and it’s SO easy. Both are super, super cuddly, easy temperaments, beautiful uphill movers, more short coupled, lovely movers. One of the things that sold me on Freestyle (besides one of the best dressage bloodlines) is his uncut video of him steadily, fluidly, calmly doing all the work–just super cadence. And he’s know for super temperaments. And I think he’s cheaper than Bugati (and has super great semen and Jennifer is super to deal with.) Just a thought. Look him up, too.

[ise]

We have a yearling Bugatti gelding out of a Donnerwerth mare. He’s VERY tall. Handsome, black and a lovely mover. I can’t determine if Bugatti is responsible for the height or whether it’s the mare. She’s about 17H+, her first foal by Pablito is now 17.3h+ and her 2nd foal by Royal Prince looks like she’ll end up 16.3 or so. I would definitely breed to Bugatti again but perhaps not with this mare.

[DownYonder]

Nice necks, good bone, substance without clunkiness/coarseness, uphill builds, really, really calm temperaments… small front feet…straighter shoulder…elasticity …not as much extension from the straighter shoulder angle.

This is generally what I have heard also about Bugatti.

I don’t know Bugatti, but since you’re looking for a lot of what I was, you might want to try Freestyle (by Floriano) in Canada.

Freestyle is an interesting suggestion but he is by Florestan I, not Floriano. The offspring I have seen have been lovely, but are often pretty big, with lots of bone and substance, and quite tall. Most of them have finished or will finish around 17h or taller (from mares 16h - 16.2h).

[Premium_Warmbloods]

I haven’t bred to him personally but I did notice in the reports from the ISR/NA inspections this year that only about 30% of his foals inspected received premium status. I was quite surprised by this as he has caught my eye in the past.

This may not be of any interest to you but I thought I would mention it.

[ise]

Well I can tell you we wanted to choke our Bugatti boy at the OLDNA inspection. First of all he did go “butt up” about a week before - but he was a TOTAL BOOGER when presented. Wouldn’t stand still and then parked out like a saddlebred - when it came to the gaits - he would walk and canter and gallop but not enough good strides of trot. It was completely disappointing as far as scoring but when I look at him now, I know he’s going to be an incredible performance horse. It was also disappointing because the mare is a Premium mare and her previous two foals went premium - so I was hoping this was the 3rd to earn her second Star Award.
Sometimes the inspections are just a day in the life of a foal that doesn’t really represent them on their best day!

[rodawn]

[QUOTE=Beentheredonethat;6131936]
I don’t know Bugatti, but since you’re looking for a lot of what I was, you might want to try Freestyle (by Floriano) in Canada. I wanted bigger, shorter back, keep the movement and to mellow out the temperament. (My mare 15.3, long back, super mover, hot, hot.) I loved the first one so much I made a second. I have a 3 3/4 year old and a 1 3/4 year old by him. I’ve been on the 3 3/4 a few times and it’s SO easy. Both are super, super cuddly, easy temperaments, beautiful uphill movers, more short coupled, lovely movers. One of the things that sold me on Freestyle (besides one of the best dressage bloodlines) is his uncut video of him steadily, fluidly, calmly doing all the work–just super cadence. And he’s know for super temperaments. And I think he’s cheaper than Bugati (and has super great semen and Jennifer is super to deal with.) Just a thought. Look him up, too.[/QUOTE]

Yes that is the truth. Freestyle is known to produce LONG legged, elegant, uphill, very talented dressage horses with amazing temperaments. Smart, but honest kids. Some of his foals are rather exceptional hunters as well depending on the mare. His approved son moves very pretty and could easily be an upper level dressage horse, but they’re focusing on his jumping abilities right now.

My Dutch mare is only 15.3 hands, but built like a little tank and she suffered the loss of her Freestyle colt last year. He was very long-legged and easily half as tall as the mare.

Cindy can speak up here, but her Swedish WB mare (now owned by me) produced an uber gorgeous Freestyle foal a few years back that sold to the United States.

I have now booked my very elegant White Star x SPS Amelie mare to Freestyle for a 2013 foal which will be papered VhW, but I haven’t paid for it yet because Jennifer keeps saying, wait a minute you have some discounts here… LOL I’m thinking, Hmm? what? Oh, okay!

Jennifer knows how to keep her clients happy. They have a real eye for picking out quality stallions. They just bought 2 more so they now have 9 stallions for Mare Owners to go shopping for.

[misita]

premiums

I noticed last year at several Old Na inspections that the number of premiums was down significantly. About 10% were awarded premium. I presented a Bravo colt that didn’t earn premium but his full brother was the site champion and premium in 2010. I thought this might be due to them tightening their standards.

I also wonder about getting the height from the dam. This seems to be a trend with the Bravo, Oldenburg stallion by Bugatti, babies as well. I know Bravo’s young, so I’ll just say seems to be a trend.

The Bugatti’s I’ve seen all seem to be elegant modern types, lovely movers, with very kind charismatic temperaments. Bravo still uses a rubber snaffle bit even on XC. Lovely heads and necks too.

This is Bravo by Bugatti. I’ve never regretted a day buying him.
2011 XC http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjR_ScalL9Q&feature=share