That would be erroneous on the part of the judge to refuse to score if something is legal, and very protest able. You’re entitled to a personal preference, but judges need to judge based on the actual rules. If bling belts haven’t been outlawed yet…
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I was faced with the stirrup issue just this past weekend. (As a judge) I called the steward over and had her inform the trainer, who slapped her head and said she had forgotten. I called usef hotline to make sure, and was told that, yes it is still a rule, but that Dec 1 of this year it would become " judge’s discretion". I’m not a fan of that decision but nothing I can do.
As far as the burgundy coats, if you’re the winner then so be it, I still don’t have to like them. I sat with an R judge who has judged indoors who called over to the gate and had the trainer informed " if that child would like a score in the second round of this derby, that she will not return to the ring with that blingy belt on". Just sayin…[/QUOTE]
I’m sure all involved appreciated the opportunity to change and get a score. That seems like the humane thing to do mroades.
I am just saying what a large R that has judged indoors did in a class. Do not shoot the messenger.
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I am just saying what a large R that has judged indoors did in a class. Do not shoot the messenger.[/QUOTE]
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I’m so old. If I were still showing, I would skip the bling. And the burgundy coat. I have plenty of desire/need to express my individuality, but not in the show ring.
Back to my rocking chair to knit some more now!
It just goes to show just how subjective hunter judging is! I was just chatting with an R rated judge and she said “a lovely round is a lovely round”, she’d rather see a lovely burgundy jacket than some of the “blue” jackets out there LOL, but overall she just wants to see a lovely round and rarely does it get to the point that she picks the winner based on “what they are wearing”!
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It just goes to show just how subjective hunter judging is! I was just chatting with an R rated judge and she said “a lovely round is a lovely round”, she’d rather see a lovely burgundy jacket than some of the “blue” jackets out there LOL, but overall she just wants to see a lovely round and rarely does it get to the point that she picks the winner based on “what they are wearing”![/QUOTE]
I would hope that no judge is pinning entries based on what the competitors are wearing. That being said, if a competitor is not abiding by the rules set out by the National Federation, that is a different matter. 
A lot also depends on the Country a judge is officiating in. In Canada, our rules for attire in the hunter and jumper ring are very lax. (I’m not going to argue whether that is a good or bad thing) If a competitor wants to show in the hunters and wear a bright orange show jacket at an Equine Canada show, a judge may not like it, but there are no rules against it. In the U.S., there is a rule against this in the hunter ring. I have my hunter judges card in both Canada and the U.S. Each Federation has their own rules and it’s important that I abide by them, as well as the Stewards and competitors.
^^^ LOL I don’t even want to see a bright orange jacket in the jumpers…well, maybe in the pony classes but that’s it!
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^^^ LOL I don’t even want to see a bright orange jacket in the jumpers…well, maybe in the pony classes but that’s it![/QUOTE]
I cannot stand the color orange. That being said, there was one rider wearing this orange jacket in the jumper ring at Spruce Meadows last fall and it actually looked fabulous. She was very tall and lean and I think that was the key for wearing that color! It still looks atrocious in the photo though! lol http://www.ecotakhorsewear.com.au/harrys-horse-st-tropez-show-jacket-fluro-orange-with-white
I don’t show in the hunters, but I did have the experience of my horse being eliminated after being ridden in an international derby with my previous trainer when she chose to wear a shadbelly with hot pink lining. She was allowed to finish the course but once she was finished the judge radioed to the back gate telling us that that was the reasoning.
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What are your thoughts on the blue or black horseware coat that’s been linked? I noticed its single vented. Is that ok or distracting?[/QUOTE]
Just reposting my question. The horseware coat listed in burgundy is against the rules due to color. If one were to purchase it in a “correct” hunter color would the single venting stand out like a sore thumb?
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I am just saying what a large R that has judged indoors did in a class. Do not shoot the messenger.[/QUOTE]
Oh, I’m sure it happened. I’m just disagreeing with that line of judging. If it’s not against the rules, it’s not against the rules. 2016 Rulebook says:
Riders are required to wear conservatively colored coats (black, blue, green, grey or brown) which are free from adornment which in the judge’s opinion is overly distracting
Note that that only applies to the jacket, not the belt. I can see it being applied to a pink lining on a shadbelly under the rule, though.
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Just reposting my question. The horseware coat listed in burgundy is against the rules due to color. If one were to purchase it in a “correct” hunter color would the single venting stand out like a sore thumb?[/QUOTE]
I think the navy blue one is quite stylish. I personally wouldn’t have a problem with it…as I interpret the rules. I’m just one judge though, and this is just my own personal opinion.
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I was faced with the stirrup issue just this past weekend. (As a judge) I called the steward over and had her inform the trainer, who slapped her head and said she had forgotten. I called usef hotline to make sure, and was told that, yes it is still a rule, but that Dec 1 of this year it would become " judge’s discretion". I’m not a fan of that decision but nothing I can do.
As far as the burgundy coats, if you’re the winner then so be it, I still don’t have to like them. I sat with an R judge who has judged indoors who called over to the gate and had the trainer informed " if that child would like a score in the second round of this derby, that she will not return to the ring with that blingy belt on". Just sayin…[/QUOTE]
Thank you, that did answer my question, you would hold your nose and score the round. And the R judge scored the round then told the steward to tell them s/he would not get a score in the next unless they bagged the blingy belt, he didn’t eliminate her out of that first class.
Thats a long way from the tweet mentioned earlier that claimed the sender was eliminated from a class because of a Burgundy jacket with no opportunity to change or warning from the steward.
BTW, don’t actually like burgundy, mine were blue, green and a lighter grey when they became popular. I didn’t ride well enough or have the kind of horses that would allow me to push the fashion envelope. While I will defend a muted, classically cut one, I hate the fashionable Jumper stye pictured on Hunters. But would judge the round, rider may come out on the bottom of any ties though and not get the benefit of any doubts about something I didn’t see clearly.
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Just reposting my question. The horseware coat listed in burgundy is against the rules due to color. If one were to purchase it in a “correct” hunter color would the single venting stand out like a sore thumb?[/QUOTE]
I have both the blue and the black one and have worn them at A and AA rated shows. I have a QH also so I don’t exactly blend into the crowd - LOL I still get ribbons if I lay down a good trip, despite the single vented coat and the non-typical breed of horse. I have never felt like my coat has had any bearing on my placing. However, I am doing the Modified Adults so it might be different if you are doing the AA’s or the A/O’s.
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Other than Animo, does anyone know who makes burgundy show jackets? Does Grand Prix do a burgundy?[/QUOTE]
Zuccolotto Designs makes a seriously lovely maroon coat!
https://www.facebook.com/ZuccolottoDesigns/
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Just reposting my question. The horseware coat listed in burgundy is against the rules due to color. If one were to purchase it in a “correct” hunter color would the single venting stand out like a sore thumb?[/QUOTE]
I personally have shown in an Animo with a single vent in the hunters, with no ill effect. While color is quite obvious, I think you really have to be looking hard to see the single vent, and therefore the judge is not really watching the horse!
I have never hear of this or seen this, and oddly I kid of like it. Of course for the hunters I would never, but jumpers (or even eventing) sure, why not. I like the way the Horseware fits, I just wish they made a 0 or a 2. I may look in to this. For the price, alterations are doable!
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Thats a long way from the tweet mentioned earlier that claimed the sender was eliminated from a class because of a Burgundy jacket with no opportunity to change or warning from the steward.[/QUOTE]
Not saying the tweet I mentioned told the whole story, but here are the current rules from the 2016 USEF handbook:
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2. Attire. Riders are required to wear conservatively colored coats (black, blue, green, grey or brown) which are free from adornment which in the judge’s opinion is overly distracting. Shirts must have a choker, similar collar or tie. Breeches may be buff, canary, tan, rust or white.
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- Inappropriate attire. When management permits Hunter or Hunter Seat Equitation riders to ride without jackets, riders must wear traditional, short, or long-sleeved riding shirts with chokers or ties. Polo shirts and full chaps are not permitted except in unjudged warm-up classes. Management or Judge may eliminate an exhibitor who is inappropriately attired. BOD 1/17/15 Effective 12/1/15
So it is perfectly acceptable according to USEF rules for a judge to eliminate a rider for wearing a burgundy coat in the hunters. I do think it’s a kinder thing for a judge to call over to the back gate to tell the rider/trainer that they should switch, but they’re well within their rights to simply eliminate the exhibitor.
Thank you 541. It always amazes me when people ask a question and then don;t like the answer.
I am an R hunter judge. I love to answer questions. I have likes and dislikes. I have been showing hunters in rated shows since 1977. I am a traditionalist.
and yes, I notice the single vents, and I do not like them. Will it affect your score? Seriously doubt it, but someone asked if they stick out. To me they do.
