Business As Usual

[judybigredpony]

[QUOTE=MoJo;5010957]
Actually, that might give a lot of people the wrong impression as to why past connections are contacted. I’m friends with one of the women who has made calls to previous trainers, owners and breeders on the horses’ behalf. Many past connections are relieved when they get the phone call and grateful to do whatever to help the horse to safety. Do you think that Dick Hertz would have been grateful to receive a call from a volunteer that his wife’s horse had been found?

At any rate, I don’t think she would appreciate reading an accusation that boils down to her threatening someone in order to get money, in such a ridiculous way.[/QUOTE]

Precisely why I said that this would encite a riot.
There is good with every bad…
AC4H will continue to do their work in what ever capacity it takes.
If you look around this board there is another thread regarding a horse found in a Pen with a halter plate on that tracks back to well known farm and trainer.
Calling the OWNER of the horse is the 1st step not contacting the trainer.
The OWNER of the horse is legally and morally responsible and should be the person who gives the trainer permission or guidence to where/how their horse leaves the track property.
I am not defending SB here in any capacity get that straight. But just where in all of this does the legal owner of these horses fit.
They pay the trainer the vet the farrier the hauler.
They also get the majority of any purse money no matter how small.
The only way a 3rd party is going to get any legal notification is if they have a prior arrangement other wise there is no ownace to them.
Back tracking after many years and many owners then to place pressure where its not warrented is a tough one.
Yes perhaps the orginal owner will make a dontation, but the trainer??
Sure if it was a barn fav or grand old class horse. Virtually hundred if not thousands pass some large strings.
You have to remember it is not illegal to sell your own property to whom ever you please right or wrong. One persons black is anothers white. And you sure as heck can’t control what the next person does short of selling with a 10 page legal document prohibiting re-sale or giving you total control to buy back.
There are good intentions and there are great intentions.

[MoJo]

Riot? Where’s the riot? Oh, you mean my out of control reply. Seriously, if that’s your definition of a riot, it’s no wonder that you think that calling past connections to see if they want to help the horse out is threatening behavior.

I never implied that breeders, owners and trainers are forever responsible for horses they once had in their care. Please read my comments, Judy. I have owned horses myself for 15 years, live ones, not Breyers or my little ponies, and have been involved in hunter/jumpers since I was a kid. So I’m well aware that people move on from one horse to another. I was not judging past trainers or owners, I was merely stating that the calls for support are not threats, they are made as a courtesy (oftentimes past owners want their horses to end up safe–read some of the threads on this forum) and to help the horse, either by securing funds or by finding a spot for the horse to retire.

[judybigredpony]

I never said your post was a Riot as in funny or threatening.
In the past AC4H has invoked strong reactions from pro and con parties. Creating a fire storm taking over a thread.
I have owned horses as in real live TB’s for 0ver 30+ years and been involved with OTTB for 20+. And I am not a Rescue or Hoarder or retirement place.
My comments came from trainers mouth(s) as in more than 1 from more than 1 track who have gotten phone calls regarding long past performers. Performers whose owners never got contacted 1st. and whose owners had possesion last of the horse.
My question for the day is what about all of the other horses who go to slaughter?? Why aren’t their former owner or trainers called?? Is it because they aren’t tatooed and easly identified? Those horses make up the majority of the pens and are they just as worthy of a reprieve, but TB and SB owners/trainers get targeted.
This is so getting off track of the orginal intentons of this thread…

[bamboozler]

Keeping on track, there are several things to consider. SB should be able to give more derails about wher she has placed (or not placed) horses. What about all these partnerships she has? Was the plight of these horses ever discussed with all these partners? It would make sense that SB would be respnsible for placing them, unless a particular partner offered a home. As to AC4H, I am quite sure that as the pressure mounts, SB will do whatever she has to to protect herself. None of these horses walked to the auctions, or the Kb lots such as Brian Moore. Someone in a trailer had to transport them. Wouldn’t that be a logical place to start? Who ships for Beattie? Who ships for Delahousse? What about Bruce Rotz? He’s a direct to kill dealer right in Shippensburg who has often used Charlie De Hart to ship pick up horses for him. My understanding is that De Hart still sits outside the stable gate at least one day a week…what is he waiting for?
Maybe Penn National should be the ones contacting these KB’s and asking them who gave them horses. How hard would it be to call Brian Moore, Charlie De Hart, Bruce Rotz…better yet, let the FBI or state investigators do it. Mel Hoover has an auction near New Holland. Hes another one to ask. The less they would want to reveal, the more you can draw your own conclusions.

[Profidia]

Ruled off? Really?

Keeping even more on track, can anybody tell me why I saw Delahoussaye’s rig parked outside barn 24 at approximately 10:00 this morning?

Ruled off is supposed to mean just that, not having HW Hepbron bring horses in for work and goes! I know track management tries not to stray onto the backside too often for fear of getting their shoes dirty but watching this man make a mockery of them is beyond disgusting.:mad::mad::mad:

If I see them in there again I’ll deliver a photo of it with date and time to Dick Hertz

[bamboozler]

I think taking a picture, and keeping a notebook with times and dates is an excellent idea.

[Asurebet1]

[QUOTE=vandian;5010475]

[QUOTE=SwtVixen;5007518]

Better yet I’m on the damn committee. But all I’ve heard is that Steph is bowing out. I guess she can’t make meetings from prison.[/QUOTE]

Who is on the committee so far? Has Stephanie Beattie officially bowed out yet?

[system]

[QUOTE=bamboozler;5012116]
I think taking a picture, and keeping a notebook with times and dates is an excellent idea.[/QUOTE]

These one is write…time management…and be on schedule…that’s the key.

[judybigredpony]

[QUOTE=Hanzo001;5012543]
These one is write…time management…and be on schedule…that’s the key.[/QUOTE]

???

[Acertainsmile]

Hanz is Australian…I think he’s just saying that he thinks it’s a good idea for someone to monitor it and back it up with pics…

[SwtVixen]

Correction

[QUOTE=Asurebet1;5012339]

[QUOTE=vandian;5010475]
Originally Posted by SwtVixen

Better yet I’m on the damn committee. But all I’ve heard is that Steph is bowing out. I guess she can’t make meetings from prison.
Who is on the committee so far? Has Stephanie Beattie officially bowed out yet?[/QUOTE]

Dick Hertz, Profidia(?), Vandian....... but not me.

and I think SB should stay on the rescue committee, and face each day of saving horses… give her something to think on…care about … and take a good inventory of her past deeds of disposal!.
I dont care how much time has passed, she callously shipped horses from losing races to the kill buyers, directly.
Bruce Rotz on the way home from CT/
Brian Moore just around the corner.

I think she should sit and view some slaughter videos…I doubt a single tear would be shed… and she should sit there until it does sink in how horrible that end of life issue actually is.
Probably for all 110 horses.
Where is the accountability?
Hey, reminds me…where is Contrary…what was the final outcome on that anyway?

[judybigredpony]

Swtvixen…If wishes were horses than beggers would ride.
don’t buy any gift boxes of kleenex just yet…

[judybigredpony]

Interesting

Found these stats over on Paulick and looks pretty accurate anyone else notice this or am I repeating? Looks like Delahoussaye horses have found a home…Michael Caraman recently saddled a winner at Delaware . Previously the horse was trained by DD, and in the past few days the relatively low key low stat trainer Caraman has a growing string at De Park. Seems like they are or were Gill owned trained byDD or Witt (?) DD horses. Is Caraman the new Jay Buderwicz? Was he not named as running the Gill n DD horses at PhillyPark???
Correct me if wrong

[suffolk2002]

Caraman the new Jay Buderwicz? Was he not named as running the Gill n DD horses at PhillyPark???
Correct me if wrong

Yes, Jay Budrewicz is the one. Jay moved on to Suffolk, apparently was suspended, and now Jay’s horses are in the hands of a Richard Budrewicz at Suffolk.

[GiddyapGirl]

I board a horse at Sandomar Training Farm where good 'ole DD has his string. Even though he was arrested and ruled off at Penn, it is business as usual for him everyday (including the very early morning post arrest). H. W. Hepbron"s (DD’s paper trainer at Philly) truck and trailer sit in front of the barn at Sandomar everyday…but sit only briefly. Monday the very same rig that I mention in the previous sentence, and that I have seen DD driving himself many a time, appeared in front of Barn 24 on the Penn National backside. Does this not seem strange to anyone but me??? Tuesday the rig is headed out the driveway and down the road with DD following closely behind. Either this past Saturday or Sunday late afternoon or early evening I noticed the rig arriving back at Sandomar dispensing the same grooms that work for DD, and getting into DD’s car which pulled in with the rig. Again is it me or does this seem just a tad bit suspicious? Saturday in the AM DD was a guest in the house of Sandor Horvath at Sandomar for a couple of hours. It does make one wonder what the topic of conversation was.

Mr. Horvath extols the virtues of DD and the excellent care he gives his horses in the Paulick Report and yet he can frequently be quoted by meany of his borders as having nothing good to say about DD AT ALL. Good care??? As a boarder at this farm I can attest that these poor creatures look anything but good. I could say more on what I have observed in this department but that is better left to your imaginings and whatever you imagine I am sure is tame. Many of our surrounding states have regulations that training centers must follow and are subject to inspection at the whim of the racing commissions. Those centers that run operations that permit the type of goings on that Sandomar allow are SHUT DOWN. If all states were to follow suit and training centers were not to allow safe haven to scum that insists on abusing animals and the rules of racing it would certainly be much easier to rid the sport of this sort of vermin. Pennsylvania is behind the times where this is concerned.

Additionally, has anyone found the buttons that Hollywood Casino/Penn National Race Course employees are sporting these days humorous??? They say “We Care”. REALLY. ??? News to me. Saturday, I did a work and go at Penn. Because of prep for the Governors Cup no one was allowed in the receiving barn. Period. This I can understand as it is a daunting task for the best of men to make the sheet hole of a barn even slightly presentable, given years, not just hours. I, might I add, am the ultimate rule follower where the track and racing are concerned. So there all of us are in the parking lot outside the receiving barn, like a bunch of cowboy hacks. The horse I worked on Saturday is fractious to say the least and not the type you can tack up in the parking lot so I shipped in tacked up, trying to follow the rules. This totally freaked the horse out and how he did not hurt himself in the trailer I really do not know. He managed to make it up to train and back to the receiving barn parking lot unscathed in spite of a loose horse on the track. Untacking was easy enough until it came to taking off the bridle and slipping on his halter to take him home (I was not sending him home tacked up and risk his hurting himself). I and the two people with me honestly TRIED OUR BEST to accomplish this in the lot so as not to disturb the “beautification” in the receiving barn and follow the rules. It was not happening. I finally stepped inside and asked permission to bring him in the shedrow, not a stall, to accomplish this. I really did not want to risk injury to the horse, other people or other horses. One loose horse a morning is enough. John Murray greeted my request with expletives and a threat that if I or any of the people with me set foot in the receiving barn that he would have us all ruled off. So much for “We Care.” More like “We Don’t Care”. Who cares if the horse gets loose and gets hurt or hurts others? This task might have taken a minute or two SAFELY in the shedrow. To date there have already been three people ruled off for not being out of the receiving barn by 9 AM on the dot to allow for “electrical work.” Go figure. Penn National…business as usual.

[Profidia]

30 days for Henry Witt

According to Dickie, Henry Witt has been suspended for 30 days for being caught with hypodermic nnedles, syringes etc.
http://businessasusualdickhertz.blogspot.com/

This while at least three people have been ruled off for indefinite amounts of time for not getting out of the recieving barn fast enough?

Just when you think that place can’t get any worse it does:rolleyes:

[racing1120]

[QUOTE=Acertainsmile;5010919]
I wonder if SB will have to produce actual NAMES of who she sent her horses to…that would surely clear things up (more sarcasm).[/QUOTE]

I just love when people don’t have any idea what they are talking about on this website. SB isnt giving her horses away to slaughter. I know her personally and also know personally the 4H person she gives her horses to. Dont you think it would be a little stupid of the LEADING TRAINER AT SEVERAL RACETRACKS to give horses away to slaughter. The people that seem to want to write the things they do about Stephanie obviously have nothing better to do and to some degree are jealous of her success. I WILL GAURANTEE BECAUSE I KNOW FOR A FACT that NONE of her horses have been given away to SLAUGHTER WITH HER DIRECT KNOWLEDGE. Dont you think if there was CONCRETE PROOF NOT SPECULATION CONCRETE PROOF SHE WOULD BE IN JAIL BY NOW !!! I admire organizations that save horses from slaughter and people that go to the kill pens at the auctions and save those horses thank god those people and organizations exist. I think that instead of so many people spending there time on this website bad mouthing Stephanie maybe you could spend the time at an auction trying to figure out how to get these horses homes. Do the people who sit on there computers badmouthing a trainer that has had an enourmous amount of success thing that what they say will shine more light of Stephanie than is already on her. Its the smaller outfits and the jipp half ass trainers know one pays attention to that people need to keep there eye on. Not Stephanie. Cannot stress enough how off base people can be.

[FalseImpression]

off the track to 4H??? that’s a new one and it is one that is very hard to believe.
If it is true, then give names… your info is just as speculative since there are no names… WITH HER KNOWLEDGE… well, she could say that maybe 80% of the horses have gone to slaughter without her knowledge, maybe through the nice 4H lady???
IF she could prove all of this, don’t you think she would have by now? If only to stop the hearsay on the different boards…

[caffeinated]

@racing1120;5021648

I just love when people don’t have any idea what they are talking about on this website. SB isnt giving her horses away to slaughter. I know her personally and also know personally the 4H person she gives her horses to.

So if this 4H person is real, could she come on here and clear it up?

If you know the person personally, it should be pretty easy.

I don’t know any of the details here, but do find it slightly suspicious - 4H is for children, and I find it very difficult to believe a 4H person would be taking such a number of Thoroughbreds off the track for that purpose. But if it’s true, and you know this person, it should be reasonably easy for them to provide some evidence to put some of the grumbling to rest.

[racing1120]

[QUOTE=caffeinated;5021729]
So if this 4H person is real, could she come on here and clear it up?

If you know the person personally, it should be pretty easy.

I don’t know any of the details here, but do find it slightly suspicious - 4H is for children, and I find it very difficult to believe a 4H person would be taking such a number of Thoroughbreds off the track for that purpose. But if it’s true, and you know this person, it should be reasonably easy for them to provide some evidence to put some of the grumbling to rest.[/QUOTE]

I know the woman personally because I have also given horses to the woman. I have met her,her husband, her children and been to her farm personally as well as stephanie. I didnt say she gives the horses directly off the track to children in 4H. She keeps them on her farm and her teenage daughters re-school them. The people they have ended up with I have kept in touch with and know exactly where all of them have ended up with. Why I myself do not feel the need to give names out is because people like yourselves are people who obviously are over the top. I would not subject a perfectly honest nice woman who I as well as Stephanie have been lucky enough to find. Are you serious??? So what she can have people on this web site call and harrass her and question her and her intentions. She would get a taste of the people who are on here and say “thanks but no thanks”. I can only speak for myself but I know I can sleep at night knowing who and where our horses have ended up. I as well as Stephanie I am sure have better things to do than worry about the concerns of others. Please worry about saving others horses not trying to hunt down a very nice woman who has done nothing but taken horses off the track and given them to good homes. Get a life people!!!