Business As Usual

[SwtVixen]

Dear racing1120,
Oh, but we do know what we are talking about …I am suggesting you go back and re-read the many, many, MANY, posts from folks who can attest to SB not being able to produce their horses – On this forum, and other forums, and those who have been in contact because of these forums and stating their factual stories of their missing horses…this all spanning years. People are comparing notes and the truth is coming out.

    The mysterious 4-H lady, or the petting zoo, or the wonderful farm home, have lacked credibility since there is no proof these folks or places exist....  (actually, wasnt DD[U] just (2010)[/U]identified as one of the *next owners* of her horses?--YES!)

What does exist is the black and white facts of her horses being pulled from the killers pens (without going through auction but directly delivered)…
But then, after that discovery… her horses began disappearing — to that unknown 4-H lady and other excuses.
Now, IF she had no knowledge that losing horses were going directly to the kill buyer after their races, then we must look at who is her shipper…(any guesses?) and must question her ability to run a stable based on her inability to provide safe care for those under her keeping.-- and did she not notice the horses missing the next morning?.. or account for their arrival at the wonderful new home?
This is old… everyone here is just patiently waiting for the answers. It wont go away.
So, you are saying Contrary and all the other are at this ladys farm?
Prove it. Dick Hertz, doublete and the others would like to meet their horses again ,… perhaps just give private invitations to those folks. !

[MoJo]

[QUOTE=racing1120;5021648]
I WILL GAURANTEE BECAUSE I KNOW FOR A FACT that NONE of her horses have been given away to SLAUGHTER WITH HER DIRECT KNOWLEDGE. Dont you think if there was CONCRETE PROOF NOT SPECULATION CONCRETE PROOF SHE WOULD BE IN JAIL BY NOW !!![/QUOTE]

In jail? People don’t go to jail for that. Uh, one of us is missing the point here and I think it’s you.

[foundationmare]

You may THINK you know the person…

but apparently you don’t. There is ample evidence to implicate SB with willful action that results in horses being shipped en. masse to slaughter. Sorry if that tweaks your impression of “the leading trainer at Penn”, but she’s just one of several that need a wake-up call, probably by the Feds, because they don’t give a sh$% about what those in “the know”, know!

If you doubt this, check up on the horses she has sent to petting zoos. LOL Only it’s not funny and I’m not laughing.

[racing1120]

Than if this has been going on “for years” than everybody needs to put there money where there mouth is and do something about it. If there are “so many FACTS” WHY ISNT ANYBODY DOING SOMETHING ABOUT IT??? I know what I know and who I know and OTHER PEOPLE THINK THEY KNOW. MY MONEY IS ON ME !!! I for one have better things to do with my time than bad mouth others who I THINK I KNOW. I am sure there are plenty of agencies that will listen to all of you but for now… Everyone who spends this much time and effort to bad mouth someone else needs to get a hobby!!! Oh and by the way I suppose the 4H woman, her husband, her daughters, her farm and the meeting with the other mothers and 4H kids we met are all a “facade” to get horses to Canada for slaughter. Please get a life people. I am in no way saying there are not people and auctions that send horses to slaughter but NOT THE CONTACTS THAT WE HAVE. NOT THE 4H WOMAN. GO HOUND SOMEONE ELSE!!! GO BOTHER MIKE GILL FOR A WHILE.

[Profidia]

Looks like the latest incarnation of Sunwack!!!:eek:

[Acertainsmile]

I think someone is doing something about it…Grand Jury anyone?

[SwtVixen]

A little help from Dick Hertz

[QUOTE=Acertainsmile;5022333]
I think someone is doing something about it…Grand Jury anyone?[/QUOTE]

He explains what Perjury means…
and how it relates to the GJ investigation.
http://businessasusualdickhertz.blogspot.com/2010/08/why-is-it-so-quiet.html

[pinkdiamondracing]

Everyone needs to just back off and relax— maybe Steph made mistakes in the past, but it’s just that-----the past.

I know for a fact that she is no longer sending horses to the kill pen, as she just made arrangements to send another one to New Vocations-- he gets placed there on Tuesday, after having been on stall rest at a farm in Kentucky.
He was claimed at Churchill Downs and upon getting him back to the barn, he was both placed on the vet’s list and x-rayed, found to have an old, non displaced slab fracture in his knee ( which the former trainer knew was there,as the x-rays showed it was not a fresh fracture so who is the monster I ask you), and even though the vet said he would recover, she chose to NOT rehab him and place him in danger of breaking down and hurting someone.
There is a considerable loss of money from this claim, as this was not a $5,000 horse, but the connections are not willing to risk his safety.

So please jsut back the **** off and give her a chance to change!!! Are all of you perfect??? I doubt it!!! Have you ever made mistakes you wish you hadn’t made-- I KNOW I have but I have made a sincere effort to change my life— so it IS possible to regret things you did, and change the way you do things

[suffolk2002]

Wow. Is this a confession? Somebody must really be under duress. Too bad that’s what it takes to make some people “change”. Changing to save their butt. And yes, I have made mistakes in life, but they didn’t involve killing animals for a few bucks. Sorry if it sounds harsh, but that’s how I feel.

[pinkdiamondracing]

[QUOTE=suffolk2002;5023315]
Wow. Is this a confession? Somebody must really be under duress. Too bad that’s what it takes to make some people “change”. Changing to save their butt. And yes, I have made mistakes in life, but they didn’t involve killing animals for a few bucks. Sorry if it sounds harsh, but that’s how I feel.[/QUOTE]

Once again-- you people have not got the facts— I am NOT Steph Beattie-- but I have firsthand knowledge of this particular situation.
No one said that there was duress, only a simple fact that there was change being made—WTF more do you vultures want???
I am sure if she could go back in time and personnally change how things went down, she would-- but what’s done is done— and you guys who are so high and mighty should really consider giving change a chance— no wonder people are so reluctant to change their ways-- you can’t win with some people no matter what you do!!!:no:

[leilatigress]

The first step of change is owning up to your actions and facing whatever consequences those actions warrant. I am all for change but that doesn’t excuse your actions of the past. I agree they are past or so we hope but they still haven’t owned up to the actions they did which is kill hundreds of horses. SB is still claiming the 4H lady she can’t remember and the petting zoo too and the other many excuses. DD is still working on a normal basis despite being told he can’t run his horses and Pen National is still not enforcing their OWN RULES. Based on that evidence I am NOT SEEING CHANGE. So yes we will continue to hound, plead, provide evidence and criticize until the people responsible step up to the plate and accept their punishment for the UNFORGIVABLE actions they have done.

[Dahoss]

[QUOTE=pinkdiamondracing;5023439]
Once again-- you people have not got the facts— I am NOT Steph Beattie-- but I have firsthand knowledge of this particular situation.
No one said that there was duress, only a simple fact that there was change being made—WTF more do you vultures want???
I am sure if she could go back in time and personnally change how things went down, she would-- but what’s done is done— and you guys who are so high and mighty should really consider giving change a chance— no wonder people are so reluctant to change their ways-- you can’t win with some people no matter what you do!!!:no:[/QUOTE]

Yes, it’s only the past people. Wtf is your problem! You should just forget about it and allow it to be swept under the rug as these scumbags and abusers are so use too. They should not have to be held accountable for their past actions. What the hell is wrong with you "vultures!!

[judybigredpony]

Look lets let SB go for the time… let the wheels in Justice turn.
Took a while but DD will be seeing his day in court…Patience its Virtue let practise for a while.

Now on to more pressing buisness…where is the new committe…besides SB stepping off and Sandy Beattie (SB) stepping up and besides Dickie who the heck else is on this committee…needs a farrier, vet, trainer, owner, frontisde person, someone who is in the re-hab game, and 6 more people at least 12 members is a good number. But should not be weighted down with [I]trainers from [/I]Penn has to be diversified and definately need people with good working knowledge of rehab retaining OTT.
Has anyone heard of a meeting?? Has anyone seen a sign up sheet??
New Vocations may run the project but the board should be recieving and reviewing proposals budget, insurance,supplier information, site visits, vets for pro bono work, farrier recommendations,…
Rome wasn’t build in a day and this won’t pop up running in a month.
Times ticking…

Who do you see to submitt a request, what are the requirements, do you need a resume??

Mr. Mostler??? is he the man who makes the committe cuts???

[pinkdiamondracing]

[QUOTE=leilatigress;5023472]
The first step of change is owning up to your actions and facing whatever consequences those actions warrant. I am all for change but that doesn’t excuse your actions of the past. I agree they are past or so we hope but they still haven’t owned up to the actions they did which is kill hundreds of horses. SB is still claiming the 4H lady she can’t remember and the petting zoo too and the other many excuses. DD is still working on a normal basis despite being told he can’t run his horses and Pen National is still not enforcing their OWN RULES. Based on that evidence I am NOT SEEING CHANGE. So yes we will continue to hound, plead, provide evidence and criticize until the people responsible step up to the plate and accept their punishment for the UNFORGIVABLE actions they have done.[/QUOTE]

I only care about what happens in the future-- who is going to take care of all these horses you all are “saving” from the kill pens-- I am at capacity at my farm-- so room for 100 more cripples I don’t have-- so someone else step up to the plate and keep them all-- otherwise STFU!!! I will continue to train–cheap horses , good horses, whatever I can get my hands on-- and when they are done, I do my level best to do what’s right by them, and as for all the others, my own horses that are already retired on my farm will come first-- and if I have to find some undesirable end for some racehorse that I was not responsible for bringing into this over horse-populated world, so be it. Just because I was the last trainer, does not make me the one who should be responsible for what happens to it for the rest of it’s days–that job in my opinion should fall to the a$$hat who brought it into the world in the first place-- I have a good theory on how to thin the herd out which does not involve slaughter, but I am sure nobody here is interested.

[pinkdiamondracing]

[QUOTE=FalseImpression;5021678]
off the track to 4H??? that’s a new one and it is one that is very hard to believe.
If it is true, then give names… your info is just as speculative since there are no names… WITH HER KNOWLEDGE… well, she could say that maybe 80% of the horses have gone to slaughter without her knowledge, maybe through the nice 4H lady???
IF she could prove all of this, don’t you think she would have by now? If only to stop the hearsay on the different boards…[/QUOTE]

FYI-- it does happen occasionally-- back when I was in 4H and my parents were into racing-- I took a mare we had who had a horrible breathing problem but who was lightning fast and took her to her first 4H show 2 weeks after her last race and within 30 days was riding her in a bridleless drill team that I was a member of-- so it does happen-- maybe not all the time, but those horses do exist.

[MoJo]

[QUOTE=pinkdiamondracing;5023491]
I only care about what happens in the future-- who is going to take care of all these horses you all are “saving” from the kill pens-- I am at capacity at my farm-- so room for 100 more cripples I don’t have-- so someone else step up to the plate and keep them all-- otherwise STFU!!! I will continue to train–cheap horses , good horses, whatever I can get my hands on-- and when they are done, I do my level best to do what’s right by them, and as for all the others, my own horses that are already retired on my farm will come first-- and if I have to find some undesirable end for some racehorse that I was not responsible for bringing into this over horse-populated world, so be it. Just because I was the last trainer, does not make me the one who should be responsible for what happens to it for the rest of it’s days–that job in my opinion should fall to the a$$hat who brought it into the world in the first place-- I have a good theory on how to thin the herd out which does not involve slaughter, but I am sure nobody here is interested.[/QUOTE]

STFU? Very nice. So, the public is supposed to complain only if we can fix the problem, the problem that some, but certainly not all trainers create by running these animals into the ground? Otherwise, we have no basis to complain? I’d say that doing right by these horses is every bit the responsibility of such trainers as the people who brought the horses into the world in the firstplace.

[pinkdiamondracing]

This whole thread started on what a monster Michael Gill is and had downspiralled into a bunch of heresay and lies-- you all should get back to the original scheduled programming and go back to bashing Gill, who truly is a monster-- how many riders did he put in jeopardy???
Say what you want about Steph but at least she has never put a person’s life in danger by running a blocked, stone cold cripple for the sake of a buck-- maybe she sent horses to the killers, maybe she didn’t, but at least she doesn’t knowingly run a horse she knows could get someone killed-- this I know for fact, as the horse that is being sent to New Vocations could run again with 6-8 months off for rehab!!!

[pinkdiamondracing]

[QUOTE=MoJo;5023504]
STFU? Very nice. So, the public is supposed to complain only if we can fix the problem, the problem that some, but certainly not all trainers create by running these animals into the ground? Otherwise, we have no basis to complain? I’d say that doing right by these horses is every bit as much the responsibility of such trainers than of the people who brought the horses into the world in the firstplace.[/QUOTE]

Why don’t you go attack D.Wayne or Pletcher, or even Patrick Biancone???
Do you have any idea how many horses these butchers ruin a year!!!
More than Steph or DD or any of those small time guys at Penn do in a career!!! I have seen the rejects that didn’t make the “cut” from these BNT’s but why don’t you attack them??? They kill more horses than you will ever know, and no one says a word-- the only time any breakdown of one of theirs is mentioned is if it’s a high profile horse and that’s only because they have no plausible deniability!!! If it’s just another horse in the string, a quiet call is made to the owner and the horse dissappears-- maybe to the kill pen-- they are not above suspicion just because they make 50 million a year in purses but probably more so.

[MoJo]

Pinkdaimondracing, I think you are over emotional.

Why don’t you stop shrieking and deflecting blame from the trainers on topic to the “big names”. This thread is about Penn National. If Wayne or Pletcher were racing at Penn National, I guarantee people would be discussing them.

[pinkdiamondracing]

[QUOTE=MoJo;5023532]
Pinkdaimondracing, I think you are over emotional.

Why don’t you stop shrieking and deflecting blame from the trainers on topic to the “big names”. This thread is about Penn National. If Wayne or Pletcher were racing at Penn National, I guarantee people would be discussing them.[/QUOTE]

I guarantee they have horses running there-- but under another trainer’s name-- and who can blame them-- the “watchdogs” probably would drive them right out of business-- like they are trying to do to some of the hardworking people at Penn who are just trying to make a living with the life skills they have–

I know that without racing, I would be screwed–it’s the only thing I know, I have no other skills, too old to go to college and get a career, and can’t survive on what wages I can make with my skills ($8.00/hr) so those of you who are sitting in judgement, I hope you are prepared to support Steph when you drive her out of the only business she knows, cause let me tell you in this economy, you can’t make ends meet on $8/hr-- I have tried.

Over- emotional???

You bet— this is my life and my business-- and people like you are ruining the only life I know!!!

So forgive me if I get a little upset— I don’t try to ruin what you do for a living-- I would appreciate it if you would do the same-- like I said, if you don’t wanna be part of solution and take in oh say, 100 or so of these so-called “kill pen bound” horses then kindly stay out of my business!!!

Start bashing the big guys too, they are just as guilty as anyone else, and they can afford to do something about it!!!